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[Timothy Mowlem]

Unfortunately there are many negatives here:

Java seems to run slowly on MacOSX
Lack of effort on Mac specific work for Mono
Lack of effort on Mac specific work for IDEs
No easy way to integrate Mono into XCode

Main issue for me is that Apple is not interested, at least publicly,  
in the modern OO languages as a developer platform for OSX. Objective  
C and Cocoa is what they want people to use.

ObjC-Cocoa is very good but unfortunately for Apple many developers  
know and like Java and/or C# and aren't willing to learn Objective C  
and Cocoa.

I posted a reply to John Siracusa's post at Ars Technica on the  
subject and wrote to jobs at apple.com (never got a reply!)

I hope somehow that Apple realise that they are badly behind other  
platforms in this respect but I fear that the high management at  
Apple in this area are Cocoa veterans and being open to new ideas  
when you are an expert is very difficult psychologically.

For now I still think that Eclipse is the best option given its  
features, relative maturity, industry backing and huge following. It  
should scream on a G5 2.0GHz so the push should be on fixing Apple  
Java and/or Eclipse so that it does fly.

I have raised a performance bug in Eclipse which caused it to crawl  
during a Crtl+1 quick fix so further such fixes may speed it up.

Perhaps the move to x86 will help since most dev is on x86 so the Mac  
should benefit from hardware optimizations that are probably absent  
on PPC.

Thanks,

Tim


> I certainly have been.  I pester anyone that I can find on the dev  
> team about once a month for the SDK :-)
>
> Andy
>
> On Oct 28, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Erik Dasque wrote:
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>
>> Can we petition them to do so ?
>>
>> Erik
>>
>> On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 21:48 -0400, Andrew Satori wrote:
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>>
>>> Not to be a killjoy, but...
>>>
>>> Quite frankly, Eclipse blows as an IDE on the Mac because it's a  
>>> Java
>>> app.  The only decent .NET IDE is VS.NET.  MonoDevelop is excellent,
>>> in it's native GTK environment, but it's not a Mac app either,  
>>> and it
>>> shows.  Further exacerbating the problem is that the Mac Mono
>>> community is TINY compared to the Linux & Windows world, so we truly
>>> are 3rd class citizens.  If we want a robust IDE, we better build it
>>> ourselves and target the Mac leveraging Mac technologies.  Until we
>>> do that, the IDE situation will continue to Suck.
>>>
>>> Eclipse is not the answer, nor is MD, and while I think Xcode could
>>> be, Apple still hasn't released the SDK for use to integrate into it
>>> properly.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Dominik Pich wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  I also only know of the Improve plugin... unfortunately.
>>>> IMHO eclipse could be a excellent IDE for Mono :D Instead effort
>>>> goes to another app... I aleady asked about this when I first
>>>> discovered Mono but have not gotten a satisfying answer...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Timothy Mowlem wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> People are discussing a lot about MonoDevelop and its so slow
>>>>> progress to MacOSX. Perhaps resources would be better spent
>>>>> creating a project to develop a C#/.NET Eclipse plugin to make
>>>>> C#/.NET/Mono a first class citizen along side the JDT (Java
>>>>> Development Toolkit) on Eclipse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eclipse is already an excellent Java IDE and a very large amount
>>>>> of industry support is now behind it. There is already one C#
>>>>> plugin that i am aware of (the Improve plugin) but that does not
>>>>> appear to be under active development.
>>>>>
>>>>> The existing IDE framework and plugin system gives you a lot
>>>>> before you have started so surely a C# aware editor and build
>>>>> system would not be hard to create? Also surely a debugger could
>>>>> be incorporated into the system as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only problem I can see would be the use of the SWT toolkit in
>>>>> Eclipse when you want to do .NET GUI development. Perhaps someone
>>>>> has ideas on this topic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know if such a C#/.NEt project is underway for  
>>>>> Eclipse?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Mowlem
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