[Mono-osx] (no subject)

Sat Oct 29 09:38:52 EDT 2005

Hi Timothy.
Just wanted to reply about what you say that Java seems to run slowsly on
Mac.
I can for real say that´s not true. Before i move to mac osx, i was a long
time windows and linux user, and java programer.
Then the first i did was to test java on an iMac 700mhz with java, and the
speed was enought. Then i did bought an iBook G4 1.1ghz, and still having my
AMD Sempron 2800+ with 1gb of ram and windows/linux, i did some loop tests,
array loading and things like that, taking in mind the seconds and
miliseconds needed... and the surprice was that even having 1.1ghz on my
ibook and 2ghz on my sempron, the speed was better on my mac.
So i can say that's not true, this is my opinion.
And a some other.. IDE´s also.. Mac can run most JAVA Ides, wich are good
for most task, like C, C#, JAVA, PHP, etc. I have Eclipse, and NetBeans,
mainly used NetBeans for JAVA programing, and its very good.
But, of course, if you want to have Visual Studio.Net or SharpDevelop on
mac, you will need to wait :)
Btw, today you can develop in JAVA, C (objetive or non objetive c),
Pascal/Delphi (FPC), Phyton, and a lot of other languages ussing XCode. Mono
is still new on mac, so with time, it will becomes the most used platform
for programing, on XCode or maybe on the ported SharpDevelop :)
What can i say... today im trying to move 100% to Mono on mac, but i still
have problems running it on mac. I have an issue on tiger that makes mono to
hung and then i need to restart to make the apps works on or two times.. its
weird, and happens when i do tests with windows.forms, also i have no other
problem like that with the other apps (and i have a lot) :).
But i hope that some day i can work on Mono instead work on Java.

Well, thanks for the chance to opine :)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy Mowlem" <tim at mowlem.eclipse.co.uk>
To: <Mono-osx at lists.ximian.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:21 AM
Subject: [Mono-osx] (no subject)

> Unfortunately there are many negatives here:
>
> Java seems to run slowly on MacOSX
> Lack of effort on Mac specific work for Mono
> Lack of effort on Mac specific work for IDEs
> No easy way to integrate Mono into XCode
>
> Main issue for me is that Apple is not interested, at least publicly,
> in the modern OO languages as a developer platform for OSX. Objective
> C and Cocoa is what they want people to use.
>
> ObjC-Cocoa is very good but unfortunately for Apple many developers
> know and like Java and/or C# and aren't willing to learn Objective C
> and Cocoa.
>
> I posted a reply to John Siracusa's post at Ars Technica on the
> subject and wrote to jobs at apple.com (never got a reply!)
>
> I hope somehow that Apple realise that they are badly behind other
> platforms in this respect but I fear that the high management at
> Apple in this area are Cocoa veterans and being open to new ideas
> when you are an expert is very difficult psychologically.
>
> For now I still think that Eclipse is the best option given its
> features, relative maturity, industry backing and huge following. It
> should scream on a G5 2.0GHz so the push should be on fixing Apple
> Java and/or Eclipse so that it does fly.
>
> I have raised a performance bug in Eclipse which caused it to crawl
> during a Crtl+1 quick fix so further such fixes may speed it up.
>
> Perhaps the move to x86 will help since most dev is on x86 so the Mac
> should benefit from hardware optimizations that are probably absent
> on PPC.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
>
> > I certainly have been.  I pester anyone that I can find on the dev
> > team about once a month for the SDK :-)
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Erik Dasque wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Can we petition them to do so ?
> >>
> >> Erik
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 21:48 -0400, Andrew Satori wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Not to be a killjoy, but...
> >>>
> >>> Quite frankly, Eclipse blows as an IDE on the Mac because it's a
> >>> Java
> >>> app.  The only decent .NET IDE is VS.NET.  MonoDevelop is excellent,
> >>> in it's native GTK environment, but it's not a Mac app either,
> >>> and it
> >>> shows.  Further exacerbating the problem is that the Mac Mono
> >>> community is TINY compared to the Linux & Windows world, so we truly
> >>> are 3rd class citizens.  If we want a robust IDE, we better build it
> >>> ourselves and target the Mac leveraging Mac technologies.  Until we
> >>> do that, the IDE situation will continue to Suck.
> >>>
> >>> Eclipse is not the answer, nor is MD, and while I think Xcode could
> >>> be, Apple still hasn't released the SDK for use to integrate into it
> >>> properly.
> >>>
> >>> Andy
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Dominik Pich wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>  I also only know of the Improve plugin... unfortunately.
> >>>> IMHO eclipse could be a excellent IDE for Mono :D Instead effort
> >>>> goes to another app... I aleady asked about this when I first
> >>>> discovered Mono but have not gotten a satisfying answer...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Timothy Mowlem wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> People are discussing a lot about MonoDevelop and its so slow
> >>>>> progress to MacOSX. Perhaps resources would be better spent
> >>>>> creating a project to develop a C#/.NET Eclipse plugin to make
> >>>>> C#/.NET/Mono a first class citizen along side the JDT (Java
> >>>>> Development Toolkit) on Eclipse.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eclipse is already an excellent Java IDE and a very large amount
> >>>>> of industry support is now behind it. There is already one C#
> >>>>> plugin that i am aware of (the Improve plugin) but that does not
> >>>>> appear to be under active development.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The existing IDE framework and plugin system gives you a lot
> >>>>> before you have started so surely a C# aware editor and build
> >>>>> system would not be hard to create? Also surely a debugger could
> >>>>> be incorporated into the system as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only problem I can see would be the use of the SWT toolkit in
> >>>>> Eclipse when you want to do .NET GUI development. Perhaps someone
> >>>>> has ideas on this topic?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone know if such a C#/.NEt project is underway for
> >>>>> Eclipse?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tim Mowlem
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