[Mono-dev] Heads up: Elimination of the 2.0 and 4.0 profiles

Fri Oct 24 19:14:37 UTC 2014

Ah, I see.

Yeah, perhaps we will move to the 4.0 branding, just need to check with
folks around here what they think.

For distros: nobody in the Linux world really ever cared about this.

We kept these profiles with the idea that this was something that actually
mattered, and it turns out, it rarely did (in particular in Linux where
things are built from scratch)

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Martin Thwaites <monoforum at my2cents.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi Miguel,
>
> I'm referring to 3.9, 3.10.1, etc. i.e. the current version being 3.10.1.
> So I guess it should be considered the "3.x" series.
>
> I'm meaning that we shouldn't preclude there being a 3.11, or 3.12, if
> there is a critical bug.
>
> Also, do you have an answer to the distro question?
>
> Thanks,
> Martin
>
> On 24 October 2014 19:13, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Martin,
>>
>> There is no such thing as a "3.x.x series".   It does not exist.   It
>> never did.
>>
>> You must be confused.
>>
>> Miguel
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Martin Thwaites <
>> monoforum at my2cents.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Miguel,
>>>
>>> I think my preference would be to have the 3.x.x series continue (as
>>> security fix only) with all the profiles, and essentially have it be a
>>> legacy branch.  Then have the 4.x.x series by a .NET 4.5+ only code base.
>>> I think it should continue if people are willing to support it, but the
>>> contributors who don't want to have to support it (or don't have the time
>>> to implement hacks for it) don't have to.
>>>
>>> From a communication perspective it would be easier to get across saying
>>> that "From mono 4.0 onwards, we only support the 4.5 profile" rather than
>>> 3.11.x onwards as it's not as easy to remember which 3.x number it was when
>>> it stopped.  A decision and a change like that does really feel "major" and
>>> therefore warrant the change.
>>>
>>> The other question I have is around the linux distros that ship mono as
>>> standard (I think Ubuntu does).  Do you perceive this having an affect on
>>> them, i.e. they will never ship 4.0 as it doesn't cater for .NET 2.0
>>> applications and there are some core pieces that rely on it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On 22 October 2014 22:18, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Mhm, that is a good idea.   Will think about it.
>>>>
>>>> Right now we were just planning on calling the next one Mono 3.12.
>>>> But perhaps the time has come for a nice bump!
>>>>
>>>> Miguel
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Martin Thwaites <
>>>> monoforum at my2cents.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Miguel,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you be looking at calling this Mono 4.0? Not that it makes any
>>>>> difference really, it just seems there's been a lot of improvements in
>>>>> recently, and an announcement of a new version me give some renewed
>>>>> interest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22 October 2014 21:10, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Alex,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very repetitive work, so what I wanted to do was to write a
>>>>>> perl script to remove the *obvious* ifdefs.   The tool would remove only
>>>>>> those that match the following criteria (more or less):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - Remove toplevel #if NET_2_0 with the final #endif
>>>>>>    - Only remove those that contain those preprocessor directives
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then have a human do the more fine-tuned approach.      There are
>>>>>> a couple more defines that I remember could be automated, but I would love
>>>>>> to have this in the form of a script.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am afraid of applying a patch like that blindly, because there are
>>>>>> no exact guarantees of what happened without reviewing the whole file.  So
>>>>>> a script with the invariants would take a lot of my nervousness out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, when I did it once, I had a setup where I rebuilt the
>>>>>> assemblies and compared the output.  This would ensure that removal of
>>>>>> ifdefs did not change the resulting binaries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM, akoeplinger <
>>>>>> alex.koeplinger at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like a good thing ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got a branch in my fork where I removed the NET_2_0 ifdefs:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/akoeplinger/mono/compare/remove-net20-ifdefs,
>>>>>>> @kumpera
>>>>>>> told me a while ago that removing the 2.0 profile is on the horizon
>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>> asked about why the ifdefs are still there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I refrained from making a PR so far because it is quite huge, do you
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> now would be a good time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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