[Mono-dev] Heads up: Elimination of the 2.0 and 4.0 profiles

Fri Oct 24 20:48:21 UTC 2014

Is everything from 4.0 on the correct side currently there? I have seen
this cause confusion in the past for many thinking the version numbers
somehow match up :)

On Friday, October 24, 2014, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com> wrote:

> Ah, I see.
>
> Yeah, perhaps we will move to the 4.0 branding, just need to check with
> folks around here what they think.
>
> For distros: nobody in the Linux world really ever cared about this.
>
> We kept these profiles with the idea that this was something that actually
> mattered, and it turns out, it rarely did (in particular in Linux where
> things are built from scratch)
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Martin Thwaites <monoforum at my2cents.co.uk
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','monoforum at my2cents.co.uk');>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Miguel,
>>
>> I'm referring to 3.9, 3.10.1, etc. i.e. the current version being
>> 3.10.1.  So I guess it should be considered the "3.x" series.
>>
>> I'm meaning that we shouldn't preclude there being a 3.11, or 3.12, if
>> there is a critical bug.
>>
>> Also, do you have an answer to the distro question?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martin
>>
>> On 24 October 2014 19:13, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','miguel at xamarin.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Martin,
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a "3.x.x series".   It does not exist.   It
>>> never did.
>>>
>>> You must be confused.
>>>
>>> Miguel
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Martin Thwaites <
>>> monoforum at my2cents.co.uk
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','monoforum at my2cents.co.uk');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Miguel,
>>>>
>>>> I think my preference would be to have the 3.x.x series continue (as
>>>> security fix only) with all the profiles, and essentially have it be a
>>>> legacy branch.  Then have the 4.x.x series by a .NET 4.5+ only code base.
>>>> I think it should continue if people are willing to support it, but the
>>>> contributors who don't want to have to support it (or don't have the time
>>>> to implement hacks for it) don't have to.
>>>>
>>>> From a communication perspective it would be easier to get across
>>>> saying that "From mono 4.0 onwards, we only support the 4.5 profile" rather
>>>> than 3.11.x onwards as it's not as easy to remember which 3.x number it was
>>>> when it stopped.  A decision and a change like that does really feel
>>>> "major" and therefore warrant the change.
>>>>
>>>> The other question I have is around the linux distros that ship mono as
>>>> standard (I think Ubuntu does).  Do you perceive this having an affect on
>>>> them, i.e. they will never ship 4.0 as it doesn't cater for .NET 2.0
>>>> applications and there are some core pieces that rely on it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> On 22 October 2014 22:18, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','miguel at xamarin.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mhm, that is a good idea.   Will think about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now we were just planning on calling the next one Mono 3.12.
>>>>> But perhaps the time has come for a nice bump!
>>>>>
>>>>> Miguel
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Martin Thwaites <
>>>>> monoforum at my2cents.co.uk
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','monoforum at my2cents.co.uk');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Miguel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you be looking at calling this Mono 4.0? Not that it makes any
>>>>>> difference really, it just seems there's been a lot of improvements in
>>>>>> recently, and an announcement of a new version me give some renewed
>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22 October 2014 21:10, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','miguel at xamarin.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Alex,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is very repetitive work, so what I wanted to do was to write a
>>>>>>> perl script to remove the *obvious* ifdefs.   The tool would remove only
>>>>>>> those that match the following criteria (more or less):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Remove toplevel #if NET_2_0 with the final #endif
>>>>>>>    - Only remove those that contain those preprocessor directives
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then have a human do the more fine-tuned approach.      There
>>>>>>> are a couple more defines that I remember could be automated, but I would
>>>>>>> love to have this in the form of a script.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am afraid of applying a patch like that blindly, because there are
>>>>>>> no exact guarantees of what happened without reviewing the whole file.  So
>>>>>>> a script with the invariants would take a lot of my nervousness out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, when I did it once, I had a setup where I rebuilt the
>>>>>>> assemblies and compared the output.  This would ensure that removal of
>>>>>>> ifdefs did not change the resulting binaries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM, akoeplinger <
>>>>>>> alex.koeplinger at outlook.com
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alex.koeplinger at outlook.com');>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds like a good thing ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got a branch in my fork where I removed the NET_2_0 ifdefs:
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/akoeplinger/mono/compare/remove-net20-ifdefs,
>>>>>>>> @kumpera
>>>>>>>> told me a while ago that removing the 2.0 profile is on the horizon
>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>> asked about why the ifdefs are still there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I refrained from making a PR so far because it is quite huge, do
>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>> now would be a good time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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