[Mono-dev] Heads up: Elimination of the 2.0 and 4.0 profiles

[Martin Thwaites]

Hi Miguel,

I'm referring to 3.9, 3.10.1, etc. i.e. the current version being 3.10.1.
So I guess it should be considered the "3.x" series.

I'm meaning that we shouldn't preclude there being a 3.11, or 3.12, if
there is a critical bug.

Also, do you have an answer to the distro question?

Thanks,
Martin

On 24 October 2014 19:13, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com> wrote:

> Hello Martin,
>
> There is no such thing as a "3.x.x series".   It does not exist.   It
> never did.
>
> You must be confused.
>
> Miguel
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Martin Thwaites <
> monoforum at my2cents.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Miguel,
>>
>> I think my preference would be to have the 3.x.x series continue (as
>> security fix only) with all the profiles, and essentially have it be a
>> legacy branch.  Then have the 4.x.x series by a .NET 4.5+ only code base.
>> I think it should continue if people are willing to support it, but the
>> contributors who don't want to have to support it (or don't have the time
>> to implement hacks for it) don't have to.
>>
>> From a communication perspective it would be easier to get across saying
>> that "From mono 4.0 onwards, we only support the 4.5 profile" rather than
>> 3.11.x onwards as it's not as easy to remember which 3.x number it was when
>> it stopped.  A decision and a change like that does really feel "major" and
>> therefore warrant the change.
>>
>> The other question I have is around the linux distros that ship mono as
>> standard (I think Ubuntu does).  Do you perceive this having an affect on
>> them, i.e. they will never ship 4.0 as it doesn't cater for .NET 2.0
>> applications and there are some core pieces that rely on it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martin
>>
>> On 22 October 2014 22:18, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Mhm, that is a good idea.   Will think about it.
>>>
>>> Right now we were just planning on calling the next one Mono 3.12.   But
>>> perhaps the time has come for a nice bump!
>>>
>>> Miguel
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Martin Thwaites <
>>> monoforum at my2cents.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Miguel,
>>>>
>>>> Would you be looking at calling this Mono 4.0? Not that it makes any
>>>> difference really, it just seems there's been a lot of improvements in
>>>> recently, and an announcement of a new version me give some renewed
>>>> interest.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> On 22 October 2014 21:10, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Alex,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very repetitive work, so what I wanted to do was to write a perl
>>>>> script to remove the *obvious* ifdefs.   The tool would remove only those
>>>>> that match the following criteria (more or less):
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Remove toplevel #if NET_2_0 with the final #endif
>>>>>    - Only remove those that contain those preprocessor directives
>>>>>
>>>>> And then have a human do the more fine-tuned approach.      There are
>>>>> a couple more defines that I remember could be automated, but I would love
>>>>> to have this in the form of a script.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am afraid of applying a patch like that blindly, because there are
>>>>> no exact guarantees of what happened without reviewing the whole file.  So
>>>>> a script with the invariants would take a lot of my nervousness out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, when I did it once, I had a setup where I rebuilt the assemblies
>>>>> and compared the output.  This would ensure that removal of ifdefs did not
>>>>> change the resulting binaries.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM, akoeplinger <
>>>>> alex.koeplinger at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like a good thing ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a branch in my fork where I removed the NET_2_0 ifdefs:
>>>>>> https://github.com/akoeplinger/mono/compare/remove-net20-ifdefs,
>>>>>> @kumpera
>>>>>> told me a while ago that removing the 2.0 profile is on the horizon
>>>>>> when I
>>>>>> asked about why the ifdefs are still there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I refrained from making a PR so far because it is quite huge, do you
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> now would be a good time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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