[MonoDevelop] Monodevlop and Xamarin Studio roadmap?

James Bozman jbozman0 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 21 18:20:55 UTC 2013 

Is Xamarin Studio intended to replace Monodevelop? and if so, can we expect
a Linux build?

Is there a location where one can view a roadmap for development?
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James Bozman


On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM, <monodevelop-list-request at lists.ximian.com
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>    1. Re: MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio (Doug Blank)
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>    3. Re: MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio (Mike Kr?ger)
>    4. Re: MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio (Andres G. Aragoneses)
>    5. Re: MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio (Ian Norton)
>    6. Re: MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio (Andres G. Aragoneses)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:03:12 -0500
> From: Doug Blank <doug.blank at gmail.com>
> To: Alan <alan.mcgovern at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com"
>         <Monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com>, Lluis Sanchez Gual
>         <slluis.devel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio
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> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Alan <alan.mcgovern at gmail.com> wrote:
> > We made several fixes to Gtk# which have all been committed to the
> > gtk-sharp-2-12 branch. I think we made them in an ABI/API compatible
> > way so you shouldn't need a specific version of Gtk#. However on MacOS
> > you need the version of Gtk+ that we ship with Mono itself as we have
> > many fixes to it which may not all have made it to an upstream
> > release.
>
> This is the best news among a lot of great news! It would be great to
> see a list of the changes to Gtk; I'm looking through:
>
> https://github.com/mono/gtk-sharp/commits/master/gtk
>
> which I guess would have the relevant changes? I see items like:
>
>
> https://github.com/mono/gtk-sharp/commit/bd41e1150debce1bf009b13ad92dd969c1ef7c6f#gtk
>
> (a profile checker to make sure that graphic calls are in being done
> in the correct thread... fantastic!)
>
> It sure would be nice to see developers writing about any of this...
> nothing in monologue:
> http://www.go-mono.com/monologue/
>
> Is there a secret source of information that we should be following?
> Or can I make a plea for more transparent development?
>
> -Doug
>
> > Alan
> >
> > On 20 February 2013 18:23, Ian Norton
> > <ian.norton-badrul at thales-esecurity.com> wrote:
> >> Ohh do I need to build a different branch of the gtk# bindings for it?
> I'll
> >> update pmono when I get a chance
> >>
> >> Ian
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 05:43:00PM +0000, Alan wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> You need to install the latest stable release of Mono (as per message)
> >>> for Xamarin Studio to work on MacOS. We are working on getting a new
> >>> beta release of Mono 3 which contains the required Gtk version. Sorry
> >>> for the inconvenience while we get this released.
> >>>
> >>> Alan
> >>>
> >>> On 20 February 2013 17:40, Jonathan Shore <jonathan.shore at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> > A welcome announcement.  However, on the OSX plaform cannot get to
> run
> >>> > without complaint:
> >>> >
> >>> > "Some dependencies need to be updated:  Xamarin Studio require a
> newer
> >>> > version of GTK+ ..."
> >>> >
> >>> > I have mono 3.0.3 with the standard MDK installer.  Presumably this
> also has
> >>> > the latest GTK+.   Can you check your Xamarin studio runner against
> the
> >>> > stock mono 3.0.3 MDK install on osx.
> >>> > Thanks
> >>> >
> >>> > On Feb 20, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Lluis Sanchez Gual <
> slluis.devel at gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi!
> >>> >
> >>> > Xamarin has today announced Xamarin Studio, an evolution of the
> MonoDevelop
> >>> > IDE with tons of improvements. All the new code has been merged into
> the
> >>> > MonoDevelop repository and will be the foundation for future
> MonoDevelop and
> >>> > Xamarin Studio releases. If you want to try the new
> MonoDevelop/Xamarin
> >>> > Studio you can get installers for Mac and Windows from the
> MonoDevelop
> >>> > download page.
> >>> >
> >>> > Enjoy!
> >>> > Lluis.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:01:06 +0100
> From: Federico Di Gregorio <fog at dndg.it>
> To: Mike Kr?ger <mkrueger at xamarin.com>
> Cc: monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio
> Message-ID: <51261A92.90607 at dndg.it>
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> On 21/02/2013 11:47, Mike Kr?ger wrote:
> > Hi
> >> First of all kudos for the great work. Then I have two questions:
> >>
> >> 1) was the "where am I in the file" information removed? I used that
> >> (like number, column, selection length) a lot and I just can't find it
> >> anymore.
> > If you've ideas where to put it in I would like to hear about it - atm
> > we don't have really a place for it :/
> > (Consider the status bar "gone")
>
> I noted that. About how to put back that information I was thinking
> about a "Document information" pad that shows some basic information
> about the open document (total lines, word count, current position in
> the document and so on). If you minimize that pad you get only the
> information that was in the status bar. What about that? Little mockup:
>
> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/schermatadel20130221132.png/
>
> >> 2) When enabling the source code analysis there are now two scrollbars
> >> instead of one. The "analysis" one seems to still work (I can click,
> >> drag and so on) so why don't just remove the other one?
> > In 3.0 it replaced the vertical scrollbar - but we wanted to support the
> > overlay scrollbars on os x and that feature broke this idea.
> > We need to rethink the source analysis user interface. It was
> > implemented some years ago and wasn't touched since then.
> > (Howver code actions/issues etc. were added over the years and bugs
> > fixed - but the user interface stayed the same)
>
> Yep, I understand. I don't have any nice idea right now. I'll just live
> with two scrollbars (can't live without the source analysis, it is one
> of the best MD tools).
>
> federico
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:29:01 +0100
> From: Mike Kr?ger <mkrueger at xamarin.com>
> To: Federico Di Gregorio <fog at dndg.it>
> Cc: monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio
> Message-ID: <5126211D.9000700 at xamarin.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi
> > I noted that. About how to put back that information I was thinking
> > about a "Document information" pad that shows some basic information
> > about the open document (total lines, word count, current position in
> > the document and so on). If you minimize that pad you get only the
> > information that was in the status bar. What about that? Little mockup:
> >
> > http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/schermatadel20130221132.png/
> That's the thing you should consider gone - we don't really know what we
> do with that. But will discussed for the next steps to improve the ui.
> When we stick to the bar at the bottom it may be a good place, yes.
>
> > Yep, I understand. I don't have any nice idea right now. I'll just live
> > with two scrollbars (can't live without the source analysis, it is one
> > of the best MD tools).
> I hope more people get addicted to this feature - over the years too few
> people demanded source analysis.
> Otherwise we would've put more focus on this feature - it was first
> introduced several years ago.
> But wasn't that good - I left some 'room for improvement' :)
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:55:10 +0000
> From: "Andres G. Aragoneses" <knocte at gmail.com>
> To: monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio
> Message-ID: <kg58vr$8dn$1 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 21/02/13 12:03, Doug Blank wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Alan <alan.mcgovern at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> We made several fixes to Gtk# which have all been committed to the
> >> gtk-sharp-2-12 branch. I think we made them in an ABI/API compatible
> >> way so you shouldn't need a specific version of Gtk#. However on MacOS
> >> you need the version of Gtk+ that we ship with Mono itself as we have
> >> many fixes to it which may not all have made it to an upstream
> >> release.
> >
> > This is the best news among a lot of great news! It would be great to
> > see a list of the changes to Gtk; I'm looking through:
> >
> > https://github.com/mono/gtk-sharp/commits/master/gtk
> >
> > which I guess would have the relevant changes? I see items like:
> >
> >
> https://github.com/mono/gtk-sharp/commit/bd41e1150debce1bf009b13ad92dd969c1ef7c6f#gtk
> >
> > (a profile checker to make sure that graphic calls are in being done
> > in the correct thread... fantastic!)
>
> You're looking at the wrong place I'm afraid. gtk-sharp master branch
> targets 3.x versions of Gtk+, while MonoDevelop still uses gtk-sharp
> 2-12 branch (which still targets gtk+ 2.x).
>
>
> >
> > It sure would be nice to see developers writing about any of this...
> > nothing in monologue:
> > http://www.go-mono.com/monologue/
> >
> > Is there a secret source of information that we should be following?
> > Or can I make a plea for more transparent development?
>
> Subscribe to the github repository :)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:07:47 +0000
> From: Ian Norton <ian.norton-badrul at thales-esecurity.com>
> To: "Andres G. Aragoneses" <knocte at gmail.com>
> Cc: "monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com"
>         <monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com>
> Subject: Re: [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio
> Message-ID: <20130221140747.GA19965 at carrot.ncipher.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 01:55:10PM +0000, Andres G. Aragoneses wrote:
> > You're looking at the wrong place I'm afraid. gtk-sharp master branch
> > targets 3.x versions of Gtk+, while MonoDevelop still uses gtk-sharp
> > 2-12 branch (which still targets gtk+ 2.x).
>
> Does that mean gtk-sharp 3 works? can I use all those cool new css things
> now?
>
> Can I install both at the same time?
>
> Ian
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:42:44 +0000
> From: "Andres G. Aragoneses" <knocte at gmail.com>
> To: monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio
> Message-ID: <kg5f9h$bn9$1 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 21/02/13 14:07, Ian Norton wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 01:55:10PM +0000, Andres G. Aragoneses wrote:
> >> You're looking at the wrong place I'm afraid. gtk-sharp master branch
> >> targets 3.x versions of Gtk+, while MonoDevelop still uses gtk-sharp
> >> 2-12 branch (which still targets gtk+ 2.x).
> >
> > Does that mean gtk-sharp 3 works? can I use all those cool new css
> things now?
> >
> > Can I install both at the same time?
>
> In theory, yes and yes.
>
> Did you miss this news[1] in gtk-sharp mailing list[2]?
>
> We have an IRC channel too.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> [1]
> http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/gtk-sharp-list/2012-November/011146.html
>
> [2] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/gtk-sharp-list
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:03:32 +0000
> From: "Andres G. Aragoneses" <knocte at gmail.com>
> To: monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [MonoDevelop] MonoDevelop and Xamarin Studio
> Message-ID: <kg5ggg$p0b$1 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> Oops, [1] link should be:
>
> http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/gtk-sharp-list/2012-October/011140.html
>
> On 21/02/13 15:42, Andres G. Aragoneses wrote:
> > On 21/02/13 14:07, Ian Norton wrote:
> >> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 01:55:10PM +0000, Andres G. Aragoneses wrote:
> >>> You're looking at the wrong place I'm afraid. gtk-sharp master branch
> >>> targets 3.x versions of Gtk+, while MonoDevelop still uses gtk-sharp
> >>> 2-12 branch (which still targets gtk+ 2.x).
> >>
> >> Does that mean gtk-sharp 3 works? can I use all those cool new css
> >> things now?
> >>
> >> Can I install both at the same time?
> >
> > In theory, yes and yes.
> >
> > Did you miss this news[1] in gtk-sharp mailing list[2]?
> >
> > We have an IRC channel too.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/gtk-sharp-list/2012-November/011146.html
> >
> > [2] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/gtk-sharp-list
>
>
>
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