[Mono-osx] [Cocoa-sharp] cocoa-sharp-dev Google Group has been shutdown

Wed Jan 23 09:33:34 EST 2008

It's geek porn.  Only geeky women understand the attraction of hundreds of
thousands lines of arcane runes in the shape of:

for (x=0;x<rowCount;x++)
{
    // play that funky music
}

Seriously though, we'll also have to work out where / how to host some of
this.  The current server is set up fairly limited (it's cheap hosting)
Windows/ASP.net 2.0/MSSSQL.

Dru :-)

On 1/23/08 3:23 AM, "Manuel de la Pena" <mandel at themacaque.com> found the
proper letters on the keyboard to produce:

> Guys,
> 
> That sounds great, I'll try to do a small mock of what I would like the
> webpage to look and fill, I'll try to post it ASAP so we can have some
> discussion. By initial filling is to have a CMS since that will allow the
> different users to edit the webpage easily, maybe an integration of news,
> "wiki", and different tutorials and articles that the rest of the people can
> summit. 'm going to check the following ones to see how much can we play
> with them(order does not matter):
> 
> 1.drupal
> 2.mambo
> 3.mojo (runs on mono, would be nice to use it since we plan to use it too)
> 4.plone
> 5.joomla
> 6.Any other that you guys know about
> 
> My approach would be to install all of them in my server and try to do some
> research to find out:
> 1. How easy is to personalize the web (would be nice to have our own
> personality)
> 2. How easy is to create content.
> 3. How much code is there for it such as extensions etc...
> 
> I'll post my findings here and the urls of my experiments, that way people
> will be able to play with the settings a have an opinion about how they want
> the webpage. ASAP we have decided what we want and what to do I'm happy to
> use my server (is getting dusty now) and get the url pointing at it.
> 
> About meeting in IRC I am quite busy during the week but we can arrange a
> meeting during the weekend when anyones wife/girlfriend/friends won't
> complain about it (mine does not really understand why I'm so long at the
> computer, she thinks I'm watching porn :) )
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Manuel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Norton [mailto:gnorton at novell.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2008 04:50
> To: Andrew Satori
> Cc: Manuel de la Pena; David_Hudson at capgroup.com;
> cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com; mono-osx at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [Mono-osx] [Cocoa-sharp] cocoa-sharp-dev Google Group has been
> shutdown
> 
> Guys,
> 
>    I'm working on getting a few things on objc2# rounded out so at
> least its previewable.  I'll post that for friday.  People can review
> over the weekend and we can schedule  an open meeting to discuss the
> future with everyones concerns next week sometime (wednesday-ish so
> people have the weekend / begining of the week to collect thoughts /
> feedbacks / etc).
> 
> I'll try to do it around 1-2pm EST so that its not too late for europe
> and not too early for PST.
> 
> -g
> 
> On 22-Jan-08, at 10:37 PM, Andrew Satori wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Well, I'm good with this, but I think we really want to hear Geoff's
>> opinion
>> before any decisions are made.
>> 
>> As for the website,  I think we can make something work for what you
>> want
>> and need.  Manuel, if you have some ideas on the look and feel shoot
>> we can
>> round table it.  I'm generally on IRC during the day (GMT -5) and can
>> generally arrange to be online at any time if you want to hash some
>> of this
>> out.
>> 
>> The current CocoaSharp content and site has been slowly being
>> redone, as the
>> existing Wiki has really gotten outdated fast, so at this point, I'd
>> say,
>> start getting your ideas together and we'll move forward.
>> 
>> Dru
>> 
>> On 1/22/08 8:22 PM, "Manuel de la Pena" <mandel at themacaque.com>
>> found the
>> proper letters on the keyboard to produce:
>> 
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> 
>>> I have to say that I agree with you, I don't really care if we are
>>> going to
>>> use or not the Novell resources, but if we do so we have to be
>>> careful and
>>> make sure that the project does not get diluted in the mono project.
>>> 
>>> I believe that we should try and make a difference between the mono
>>> for Mac
>>> OS X development and what we want to achieve.. It is clear that both
>>> projects are very tight together and that if we do our work
>>> correctly they
>>> could even merge, but this should not be neither a goal or an
>>> initial idea.
>>> I think that we should have some kind of manifesto that states what
>>> the
>>> project wants to achieve and how, in other word a nice text
>>> explaining or
>>> goals clearly and that can be understand by anyone no matter their
>>> background.
>>> 
>>> Deciding which people (from my point of view the most experienced
>>> ones from
>>> the last attempt/team) are going to direct the team should be our
>>> priority
>>> right now. That way we could start organizing resources and
>>> performing some
>>> design decisions. We cannot do anything until we get the new
>>> bindings for
>>> object v2 besides getting the team up.
>>> 
>>> Manuel (2 am at Spain.... going to bed, the dodgy tv adverts have
>>> already
>>> started!!!!)
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mono-osx-bounces at lists.ximian.com
>>> [mailto:mono-osx-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Satori
>>> Sent: 22 January 2008 18:36
>>> To: David_Hudson at capgroup.com; cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com;
>>> mono-osx at lists.ximian.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Mono-osx] [Cocoa-sharp] cocoa-sharp-dev Google Group
>>> has been
>>> shutdown
>>> 
>>> Now that I'm back in the office and not painting / limited access.
>>> 
>>> I/Druware owns the CocoaSharp.org domain and website.  We have,
>>> IMO, two
>>> options.  Merge everything into the Mono Project, or keep
>>> everything under
>>> the CocoaSharp domain (or possibly both which is probably the Best
>>> of Both
>>> worlds, but I don't know that we have the resources).
>>> 
>>> There is good and bad to both.
>>> 
>>> With the Mono Project option, we run the risk of being 'lost in the
>>> shuffle'
>>> as it were, with the nominally Linux centered world of Mono, many
>>> of the Mac
>>> specific details could get left by the wayside.  The other issue is
>>> that
>>> cocoasharp really goes beyond the scope of 'mono', so it begs the
>>> question
>>> of if it fits.
>>> 
>>> With the CocoaSharp.org, you get a site that is something we can
>>> control
>>> without impact from the Mono Team, but it comes with none of
>>> theease that
>>> using Novell's web infrastructure brings, but also gives us the
>>> power to
>>> create whatever we want (it is running on a shared host / Windows /
>>> ASP.NET
>>> hosting), and though it has a wiki today, the underlying code is
>>> AWFUL, so
>>> if that's the route we want to go, I'd like to move to something a
>>> little
>>> better :-).
>>> 
>>> Times have changed a bunch since I put up the original Cocoa Sharp
>>> site, the
>>> people have changed, and the Mac has become a full peer in the Mono
>>> community, with a person on staff at Novell working on it, so for
>>> people
>>> like me that had become pretty frustrated with the lack of progress
>>> and/or
>>> struggles to keep Mono and the Mac on working terms are returning
>>> to the
>>> fold.
>>> 
>>> I'm good with either choice, and I'll look to the community to
>>> point a
>>> direction, but we do need to consolidate the efforts in a single
>>> direction.
>>> 
>>> On 1/22/08 11:34 AM, "David_Hudson at capgroup.com"
> <David_Hudson at capgroup.com
>>>> 
>>> found the proper letters on the keyboard to produce:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> In the interest of consolidating communication for the Cocoa#
>>>> project, I
>>>> have shut down the cocoa-sharp-dev Google group. I posted a message
>>>> directing devs to the Mono cocoa# mailing list.
>>>> Are we using the
>>>> Mono wiki or somewhere else? Once that is determined, I will copy
>>>> over the
>>>> Google wiki pages and post them on the official Cocoa# wiki page
>>>> and close
>>>> down the Google wiki I had set up. Note that much of the content
>>>> on the
>>> the
>>>> Google wiki was simply copied from the old cocoasharp.org wiki.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, there is the CSharpXcodeplugin. Are people still interested in
>>>> developing this? If so I can move it back to the Mono SVN (there
>>>> is an old
>>>> version of the code already in there).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
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