[Mono-osx] [Cocoa-sharp] cocoa-sharp-dev Google Group has been shutdown

Andrew Brehm ajbrehm at gmail.com
Tue Jan 22 20:06:58 EST 2008

On Jan 22, 2008 5:36 PM, Andrew Satori <dru at druware.com> wrote:
> I/Druware owns the CocoaSharp.org domain and website.  We have, IMO, two
> options.  Merge everything into the Mono Project, or keep everything under
> the CocoaSharp domain (or possibly both which is probably the Best of Both
> worlds, but I don't know that we have the resources).

For what it's worth... I think that CocoaSharp should have its own
site, specifically because I expect many users who are familiar with
.NET but not Cocoa or the Mac OS. I do not think that the people who
are looking for information on Cocoa# are the same people who are
looking for general information about Mono.

At the same time the connection to Mono should be made really obvious,
with Mono logos and links and everything. Nobody likes a small

> There is good and bad to both.
> With the Mono Project option, we run the risk of being 'lost in the shuffle'
> as it were, with the nominally Linux centered world of Mono, many of the Mac
> specific details could get left by the wayside.  The other issue is that
> cocoasharp really goes beyond the scope of 'mono', so it begs the question
> of if it fits.

I think the focus should be on Mac users and present Mono and
CocoaSharp as complimentary projects.

It is probably easier to convince Mac users/developers to use .NET and
CocoaSharp than it is to convince .NET (or Windows) developers to use
CocoaSharp and port to a platform they probably think should be
covered by Winforms.

Does that make sense?

Mono and CocoaSharp should be seen as one from Windows and as two from Mac OS.

> With the CocoaSharp.org, you get a site that is something we can control
> without impact from the Mono Team, but it comes with none of theease that
> using Novell's web infrastructure brings, but also gives us the power to
> create whatever we want (it is running on a shared host / Windows / ASP.NET
> hosting), and though it has a wiki today, the underlying code is AWFUL, so
> if that's the route we want to go, I'd like to move to something a little
> better :-).

You might want to talk to Manuel de la Pena about the site. He was
really interested in the idea of reworking it.

I myself am planning to write a lot of tutorials with lots of
screenshots, covering installation and use of everything involved. So
if there is a site, I would love to upload lots of material!

> I'm good with either choice, and I'll look to the community to point a
> direction, but we do need to consolidate the efforts in a single direction.

Ok, here is, in short, what I think should be done:

1. There should be a Mono-independent site for CocoaSharp, i.e.

2. Talk to Manuel de la Pena about specifics for the site.

3. Talk to Novell and put obvious Mono logos and links on the site.

4. Give me a way to submit documentation.


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