[Mono-list] Cleaning shit up (Re: Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO)

ted leslie tleslie at tcn.net
Sat Nov 4 20:05:22 EST 2006

uncool Atsushi ....
you probably want to try and use more tack in your correspondence

Alex wasn't deserving of such a tirade, who pissed in your cornflakes
this morning anyways?


On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 09:34 +0900, Atsushi Eno wrote:
> Alexandru Nedelcu wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I always respected Miguel de Icaza's judgment and he always has a good 
> > and sane point of view.
> > I am a little troubled about the recent announcement, about the 
> > Novell/Microsoft agreement.
> Obviously you don't appreciate much from his posts before, as it is
> very unlikely that you could understand them.
> > Didn't Miguel de Icaza assured us that Mono was safe, that there are no 
> > known patents that Mono infringes, that .NET is an ECMA
> > standard, that even if Mono infringes on some patents then the Open 
> > Inventions Network will protect it ?
> In objective perspective, he did along with the context above.
> In subjective perspective, Miguel never assured idiots like you that.
> In that context, he just assured those who understand him so well.
> > Didn't Miguel said that Novell conducted a whole investigation on 
> > Microsoft owned patents and no infringed patents where found ?
> No he didn't did. If you object, showed the exact evidence.
> > And Novell is the owner of the Unix copyrights (I am no lawyer, so 
> > please correct me if I am wrong) ... and Novell just
> > admitted that GNU/Linux has pieces that infringe on Microsoft's 
> > intellectual property ?
> You want to conceive us like your Microsoft that Linux infringes
> MS patents, but Novell never said Linux infringes MS patents.
> On the other hand, no one assured that Linux infringes or will
> infringe others' patents (that's ok; if someone blames patent 
> infringement, then he or she must *first* point the exact patents
> out). But that does not mean Linux is always safe.
> As Miguel has always been pointing out, no software in the world
> is safe in this context.
> If someone says that if there is no assurance on a technology
> we should never push it, then what happens to W3C.
> > True or not true ... there are many companies that might stand up and 
> > demand the same royalties that Microsoft is asking.
> > The solution is to fight  the whole software patents system, not getting 
> > around it by a minor deal with the devil himself.
> Some economists and legal scholars has been successful to weaken
> software patents by writing evident papers asserting that software
> patents are rather harmful. I also wrote some legal analysis on
> software patents in the context of Japanese legal academic argument
> and sent them to the government.
> Some other people, like Bill Gates, claimed that US patent system
> should not grant too many patents.
> None of idiots like you made it successful. You never fight software
> patents in reality.
> > What if companies like IBM or Oracle or Apple take a stand and demand 
> > the same thing ?
> You should read Miguel's posts 100x again and understand what OIN is.
> > Miguel says in his blog something like:
> > 
> >     "So today we have secured a peace of mind for Novell customers that 
> > might have been worried about possible patent infringements open source 
> > deployments"
> > 
> > But doesn't anyone at Novell notice that the REST of the open-source 
> > landscape is now in a greater danger than before ?
> Huh? Nothing has changed in non-mono land in this context.
> Unlike idiots like you, Microsoft and Novell know that the partnership
> will expire at 2012. (as a sane person) I see no reason to endanger
> their own businesses.
> > What is happening ?
> > I already invested in Mono, I also switched to Gnome the whole network 
> > that I am managing, Gnome which is tainted with
> > Novell's products.
> > I am not the only one wondering: 
> > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061103073628401
> You are not the only one idiot wondering, but you are the only idiot
> who tries to throw your shit to others. Let's wait for your
> graduation from junior high school and post again.
> Atsushi Eno
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