[Mono-list] FYI : Mono on the MSDN site

[James Michael DuPont]

>Are they happy with the fact
> that the (currently)
> only existing implementation of the spec, and the
> one on which the spec
> was based doesn't actually comply?
You mean that Microsoft implementation of the spec
does not comply?

For your information,
I have put in a formal request to the ECMA issue to
microsoft and ecma. 

I have asked about about the usage of the source code
examples in the ECMA and the usage of the MSDN version
of the spec.

ECMA said that they have forwarded my question to
thier experts. 
Microsoft has Anson Horton working on answering the
question. 

So if miguel can speed up this issue, fine, but just
to let you know that is a process running now.

best regards,
mike
--- Piers Haken <piersh@friskit.com> wrote:
> Miguel, I know you said you had some contact with
> the ECMA guys. What's
> the story on updating the ECMA spec with regards to
> compatibility with
> what MS has released? Are they happy with the fact
> that the (currently)
> only existing implementation of the spec, and the
> one on which the spec
> was based doesn't actually comply?
> 
> Piers.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Michael DuPont
> [mailto:mdupont777@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:55 PM
> To: A Rafael D Teixeira; eagle@uoxdev.com
> Cc: mono-list@ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [Mono-list] FYI : Mono on the MSDN site
> 
> 
> 
> --- A Rafael D Teixeira
> <rafaelteixeirabr@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Only now Iīve found some time to answer. Sorry!
> Thanks for your answer. It realy puts things into
> perspective.
> 
> > 
> > >I cannot find this on the english site.
> > That article was written by an brazilian .NET
> > evangelist, for the local site
> > only...
> Thats funny...
> 
> 
> > Well, I agree about the language being an
> standard,
> > and that is far better 
> > than the Java situation, but that is just not
> enough
> > to say itīs open, or 
> > will be kept open: if Microsoft doesnīt make a
> > commitment to advance the 
> > language always through ECMA, they can make
> 
> They have not updated the ECMA spec, but put all the
> changes to their web page. There is no real
> statement
> on what to use. Problem is that everyone uses the
> new
> version from MS, and the ECMA version is just
> getting
> older. 
> 
> It is not clear to be if we can even use the
> Microsoft
> Copy of the ECMA, because of the MSDN copyright.
> Remember the perl script that extracts code from
> documents, well we dont want to get into the same
> issue by using the copyrighted spec and not the
> standard.
> 
> > proprietary extensions (Borland 
> > Turbo Pascal/Delphi/Kylix coming to my mind as
> > something proprietary and 
> > sucessfull and well beyond what Pascal used to
> be),
> > that could not be 
> > implemented by competitors.
> > 
> > Their study on "generics" support is a prime
> > example, being covered by 
> > copyrights, and possibly patents, from Microsoft
> > Research.
> > 
> > For the sake of many mono-hackers: "generics" is
> > something akin to C++ 
> > templates, but that can also expand AT RUNTIME
> with
> > FULL TYPE-SAFETY. That 
> > would make possible to have typed ArrayLists, as
> we
> > now have typed arrays.
> That sounds interesting. 
> Is it in the C# ECMA spec, i did not see that yet.
> 
> 
> Thanks again for your insite.
> 
> mike
> 
> =====
> James Michael DuPont


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James Michael DuPont

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