[mono-android] size of apk

Thu Feb 9 20:12:09 UTC 2012

So can I say to the reviewer who complained that 10mb was 'too heavy' that 

a)      An app up to 20 mb is allowed to be downloaded via the telephone
network 

b)      Other apps which may be smaller in apk consume loads of additional
space 

c)       What you see is what you get with my app !! (i.e it doesn't use
much if any storage) 

Trouble lwith a reviewer throwasy line like that is that everyone is an it
expert and they latch on to such statements.

Quick reputations count -i n the 60's an aircraft (very good one) called a
twin commanche was labelled as the 'doctor killer' because while it was a
fine aircraft it required a little more skill and understanding to fly than
a simple Cessna 150 and it was being bought by well off doctors as a means
of transport 

Make of that what you will but an app can be damned with faint praise as
well as damning critics 

I'm back to trying to find out why after a successful  run in to release my
monodroid app now wont deploy - even the old version wont work - Arghh!

JM

From: monodroid-bounces at lists.ximian.com
[mailto:monodroid-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Wally McClure
Sent: 09 February 2012 15:38
To: monodroid at lists.ximian.com
Subject: Re: [mono-android] size of apk

I think Gabe has a valid point.  Smile
<https://gfx5.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr04/ltr/emo/smile.gif>   I have the space
pinch as well on my htc evo.  I find that I have to delete all the data gunk
in my apps (twitter, Facebook, g+ are the worst offenders for me) as well as
the 15 one off example apps that I wrote and have on my phone this morning.
Nerd smile <https://gfx5.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr04/ltr/emo/nerd_smile.gif>
This, plus I talk to my android buddies that have the same size complaints,
but blame the data stored in their phones, and not the apps.  They tell me
that HTC is the I guess it depends on how you look at the problem.

Its good to hear that the new phones have more space.  I haven't had these
issues in my Xoom yet, so I was guessing it was an earlier phone issue.  I'm
guessing that we need to watch out for this in our apps and make them as
optimal as possible.  Would be nice if MfA was in the Android phones, but I
won't hold my breath on that.

Wally

> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:39:01 -0600
> From: monkey at jpobst.com
> To: monodroid at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [mono-android] size of apk
> 
> While I also have a Nexus One and definitely feel the space pinch, I 
> think this is more an anomaly and does not reflect the current
environment.
> 
> It is nearly unfathomable why the N1 shipped with ~190 MB of user app 
> space when the iPhone 3GS at the time came in 8, 16, and 32 GB models.
> 
> The N1's successor has 16 GB of storage. Most other modern phones have 
> ample space as well.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> On 2/8/2012 7:55 PM, Gabe Codina wrote:
> > Im an android user and I have (non-developer) complaints about large
apps.
> >
> > I have a HTC Desire (aka Nexus 1) which is a great phone but HTC saw fit
> > to endow(read cripple) it with only 148 MB of internal storage. This is
> > enough for a dozen or so apps so Im at a point where if I want to
> > install something I have to uninstall something first. I can move apps
> > to the SD but that doesn't completely solve my problem. I also only use
> > apps that haven't got a mobile web site alternative (eg I don't install
> > facebook or google+, IMDB my banks app and so on)
> >
> > Just pointing out that app size can be one of the most important
> > considerations for choosing apps (it's the first thing I look at when
> > browsing an app in the market)
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> > *From:*monodroid-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> > [mailto:monodroid-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Wally McClure
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 9 February 2012 1:14 AM
> > *To:* john at murray.gb.com; monodroid at lists.ximian.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [mono-android] size of apk
> >
> > This is one of those interesting areas. I have never had an end user
> > complain about application size. The only user type that has ever
> > complained about an app size is another developer user, which isn't
> > accurate view of your userbase. There is a legitamate worry with apk
> > size, there is a limit on the download size over cell networks. I think
> > the generally accepted download size is 20 megs over cell and 100 megs
> > over wifi, but that may only be apple.
> >
> > Why is the market reporting 12 megs, I'm not sure. Never have paid
> > attention to it.
> >
> > The application size is not something to /**typically**/ worry about
> > regarding performance. This is a myth in computer programming, assuming
> > that the size is due to features. Typically size is associated with
> > features. A more worrisome issue is something called a working set size
> > of an application - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_set_size.
> > Working set size is more a product of the use of good algorithms instead
> > of programming language. I remember writing applications in VB that
> > performed better than C++ apps in the late 90s. Now, this isn't true in
> > every situation, and no, I am not the awesome programmer that knows
> > everything. I do tend to obsess over my algorithms. Picking a good
> > algorithm tends to overcome the language used.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: john at murray.gb.com <mailto:john at murray.gb.com>
> > To: monodroid at lists.ximian.com <mailto:monodroid at lists.ximian.com>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:35:01 +0000
> > Subject: [mono-android] size of apk
> >
> > I recall some time ago a thread about this - the size of Monodroid apks
> > - cant seem to find it.
> >
> > I have a reviewer making an issue of the size - strangely Android Market
> > is reporting it at 12mb whereas the apk I uploaded was only 6mb
> >
> > Anyway I seem to recall that this whole area is a bit misleading because
> > the mono apk contains stuff which is not necessarily all loaded into
> > memory ?? or do I remember that right ? Does the whole apk 6mb translate
> > into a 6mb footprint in memory ? Are there any other ripostes to critics
> > of the package size ?
> >
> > John Murray
> >
> >
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