[MonoDevelop] EXTERNAL: Re: MoMA?

Stifu stifu at free.fr
Mon Sep 13 13:35:33 EDT 2010

Yeah, shouldn't be a problem, especially since you don't have to send the
report, it's optional as far as I know.

Vogelman, Julie wrote:
> We're not hooked up to the internet, though, so that shouldn't be an
> issue, right?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abe Gillespie [mailto:abe.gillespie at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:41 AM
> To: Vogelman, Julie
> Cc: monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [MonoDevelop] EXTERNAL: Re: MoMA?
> If it's a classified system then you may want to think twice about
> MoMA.  Although it is anonymous, MoMA does send information back to
> Novell about your app.
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Vogelman, Julie
> <julie.vogelman at lmco.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the responses.
>> Quandary: Unfortunately, I meant that I do need to request my company to
>> allow me to download it. It's actually going to be downloaded to a
>> classified system, which requires approval.
>> Thanks for all the examples as to what may not port directly. I do use
>> the System.XML.XmlTextReader class (if that's what you're referring to),
>> so I'll be sure to request version 2.6 or higher.
>> I'm not totally new to Linux, although to Red Hat, yet.
>> Devin:
>> These are good questions. I'm not sure how my company will determine what
>> to download - whether I will be telling them or whether they already have
>> some process in place to do it. In terms of updates, I'll have to find
>> out about that as well. Unfortunately, around here it seems like we just
>> continue using the original version of software until we have some sort
>> of problem that we believe could be corrected by an update to the
>> software - and we may in fact need to put in another request for that
>> update.
>> Julie
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Quandary [mailto:quandary82 at hailmail.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 3:53 AM
>> To: Abe Gillespie
>> Cc: Vogelman, Julie; monodevelop-list at lists.ximian.com
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [MonoDevelop] MoMA?
>> MoMa is short for mono migration analyzer.
>> MoMa is a tool written in .NET.
>> It runs wherever you have a working .NET/mono version installed.
>> That includes Windows and Linux. And I am talking about the same binary
>> on both platforms.
>> MoMa just checks whether the Linux runtime supports all the methods you
>> used in the assemblies & executables you give it to check.
>> And you don't need to request it, you can download it right here:
>> http://www.mono-project.com/MoMA
>> You don't even need to install it, just unpack and run moma.exe.
>> For example, if, in the program you want to port, you made calls to the
>> Windows API, or used COM interoperability, or used methods that aren't
>> yet implemented in mono, MoMa will show you those.
>> It won't show you for example if you used the wrong directory separator
>> chars, such as "\", which need to be "/" in Linux (always use
>> System.IO.Path.DirectorySeparatorChar to keep it compatible). And it
>> also won't show you if you referenced an image with filename XY.JPG,
>> while the actual filename is XY.jpg, which will work on Windows, because
>> Windows is not case-sensitive, but which won't work on Linux, because
>> Linux is case-sensitive (System.IO.Exception "File not found").
>> I think you can switch off the case-sensitivy in mono using an
>> environment variable.
>> But you might just want to make a vfat file with the dd command on Linux
>> and mount it into a directory, so you'll have a case-insensitive
>> filesystem to start with.
>> And no, you don't need MoMa, it doesn't do the work for you.
>> But MoMa's usefullness is in showing you how much effort a Linux port
>> requires, or whether it is possible at all, and where you run into
>> problems.
>> That certainly is very very helpful, because else you spend time in
>> searching errors when MoMa could have already pointed you out in advance
>> where those problems are.
>> Mono 2.4 also has some errors in System.XML.TextReader/Writer, meaning
>> the overloaded method where you can pass to the XML reader/writer the
>> text encoding is missing... This error has been fixed in mono 2.6 and it
>> now works wonderfully. So you need to look that you have a recent
>> version of mono installed, or you might spend quite some time on running
>> into bugs that have already been fixed.
>> I might be wrong, but to me, it sounds like you are completely new to
>> Linux.
>> If you are serious in porting an application to Linux, I definitely
>> recommend you familiarize yourself with this operating system FIRST.
>> It's not like it's difficult, but there is a certain learning curve
>> which requires quite some time. And RedHat is not exactly a very
>> beginner-friendly Linux distro.
>> I recommend you download a free Linux image from Ubuntu.com (Ubuntu is a
>> very beginner-friendly Linux distro), install it in the VirtualBox
>> (www.virtualbox.org) virtual machine on your private machine, and
>> install Linux there virtualized.
>> Then you can play around a bit, find out how to install and remove
>> programs, install monodevelop, how to start programs from the command
>> line (not quite as in windows), etc.
>> If you run into Linux problems, or don't know how to do something, then
>> you can always ask at ubuntuforums.org, which is a nice forum  for such
>> things.
>> On 09/10/2010 09:38 PM, Abe Gillespie wrote:
>>> MoMA's helpful and can be run on Linux.  However, there was a port to
>>> Silverlight and can be run over the web but I can no longer find the
>>> link and past requests to this list haven't been fruitful.
>>> -Abe
>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Vogelman, Julie
>>> <julie.vogelman at lmco.com>  wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the responses the other day regarding RedHat.
>>>> So, I'm trying to figure out exactly what I will need for porting my
>>>> Windows
>>>> C# code to RedHat. Unfortunately, I have to go through a process to get
>>>> it
>>>> approved by my company, so I can't just download anything.
>>>> I see a product called MoMA can be used to identify the porting that
>>>> will
>>>> need to be done before you start the actual port. I assume this is run
>>>> on
>>>> Windows? Or could it also be run on Linux? Currently, I am in the
>>>> process of
>>>> requesting Mono for the RedHat machine. But do I also need to be
>>>> requesting
>>>> MoMA for the Windows machine? Or do you even think MoMA is necessary
>>>> and/or
>>>> very helpful?
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Julie
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