[MonoDevelop] Mono Develop 0.4

[Allan Edwards]

Yeah i am aware, I used to work on Visual C++ in Redmond.  I was part of 
that team years ago.  I do agree that the mono guys are amazing.  I have 
been super impressed.  It is not mono that is messed up.  It is still 
the ease of use of Linux.  On the Microsoft side they do everything for 
you and you can lead into more advanced useage as you get betterof their 
OS.  On Linux everything is still difficult, and you have to just know 
everything.  Now Linux has come a long way and I do understand why 
Redmond is  a bit scrared.  Linux is right on the cusp of greatness.

I am very excited about the mono project and the IDEs that are being 
built.  Heck that is why I am frustrated.  I am really wanting to get 
into development on Linux with .NET. .

One more thought ... On windows they are contiually pushing to build 
tools that make developers way more productive.  Coming from an 
assembly, then C, then C++, then Java, then C# on both Unix and Wndows 
background in the past decade I have seen a lot of trends.  I was 
throwing this criticism out becuase every little time a developer has to 
figure something out or do something manual, they are wasting time. 
This wasted time turns into costs in develop.  Finally when you evaluate 
LInux against windows, you have to go with Windows now for TCO.  All 
that bs they right about is just bs on TCO.  The truth is, ask someone 
lik eme who loves both but has to make business decisions based on teh 
bottom line.  You still end up realizing that the guys in Redmon give 
you the highest value proposition for MOST systems now.  Mono and Sharp 
Develop will end up being the most critical projects in allowing Linux 
to compete with Windows.  You would think 4 - 5  guys would need to be 
100.


Oh well... back to linux configuration pain

Thanks,
Allan

Fawad Halim wrote:

> Allan,
>     You need to keep in mind the difference in scale when you compare 
> MonoDevelop and Visual Studio.NET. MS has hundreds of people working on 
> VS.NET. They have seperate teams for usability, seperate team for 
> installers, etc. The MonoDevelop core team is 4-5 people. Given these 
> resources, I'd say MonoDevelop is pretty damn spectacular.
> 
> Oh, and FWIW, I was able to install monodevelop on my FC2 laptop by doing
> 
> 1. cat >>/etc/yum.conf
> <yum_conf_files>
> 2. yum install monodevelop
> 
> and it worked the first time around.
> 
> -fawad
> 
> Allan Edwards wrote:
> 
>> Wow, I am getting tired of  tracing down RPM dependencies for this 
>> MonoDevelop and Mono as a whole.  I thought I would mess around with 
>> Suse 9.1 personal and it appears to not have a develpoment sweet pre 
>> installed.  Does anyone out their have a recommendation for a 
>> distribution that would be setup with everything so that all I ahe to 
>> do is the rpm -uvh on teh mono all and all dependenecies are already 
>> ready to go in the distribution?
>>
>> Man, it seems like something needs to be developed in Linux that will 
>> automatically search and find dependencies of RPMs on the net and let 
>> you choose ot auto install them.  Heck, I think red carpet is doing 
>> something like this, biut I am still trying to get past the freaking 
>> python install.
>>
>> How in the world is LInux every going to be useable if a seasoned 
>> development newbie wants to look at Linux and it takes a WEEK to 
>> figiure out and get a development enviornment squared away.
>>
>> On Microsoft, we are up and running in about half a day.  I am not 
>> talking seasoned developers, i am talking newbies out of college that 
>> don't know all the intricate details but want to start writing some code.
>>
>> I did successfaully get mono installed and working, but again, I have 
>> yet to get mono develop to work properly.  Linux for the most part is 
>> reallly cool.  I have not used it for a couple of years waiting for 
>> the developers working on it to get it to the level of Microsoft's 
>> easy of use.  In   a real business situation, you cant afford all of 
>> this fluff.  You have to get answers, get htem fast, and move.  Linux 
>> still lacks in this area quite a bit.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Allan
>>
>> A 10 year systems architect and IT consultant
>>
>> Todd Berman wrote:
>>
>>> Allan Edwards wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am working on getting MonoDevelop 0.4 to run on Suse 9.1,  When I 
>>>> invoke the application it shows the wait cursor for a long time, 
>>>> then never comes up.  Is their an error log or something that 
>>>> MonoDevelop generates that can tell me what is missing?  I assume a 
>>>> library dependency is missing in my OS installation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Try running monodevelop from a terminal.
>>>
>>> --Todd
>>>
>>> .
>>>
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