[Mono-devel-list] Re: [mono-vb] VB Class status

Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:47:04 +0200

Hey Scott,

The compiler is written in C#, but you could start to help with just trying
to compile your VB.NET programs with our compiler, and report any problems,
ideally with test cases that show the problem :).
This way the compiler should come forth a lot quicker...

Greetz,
-- Rob.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Blomfield [mailto:s.blomfield@cox.net]
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:57 PM
> To: Mono-vb@lists.ximian.com
> Subject: RE: [Mono-devel-list] Re: [mono-vb] VB Class status
> 
> Of course. Doing something unhelpful would be ... Silly =)
> 
> I was just letting folks know if it comes to pass that any part of the
> compiler is written in VB.NET then shoot me an email, not suggesting a
> revolution. The project has come very far under their excellent
> leadership and support, and I am certain that without it the project
> would falter and come along much slower if at all.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Scott
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mono-vb-admin@lists.ximian.com
> [mailto:mono-vb-admin@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of
> Rob.Tillie@Student.tUL.EDU
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 3:03 AM
> To: s.blomfield@cox.net; Mono-vb@lists.ximian.com
> Subject: RE: [Mono-devel-list] Re: [mono-vb] VB Class status
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> The porting isn't the problem. Surely there's some convert tool from C#
> --> VB.NET. The problem is getting MBAS (Our VB.NET compiler) in a
> production-ready state so it can compile MS.VB.dll during build.
> I'm in favor of doing the right thing now, but this decision isn't up to
> us. Let's wait and hear what the leaders (Rafael, Jambunathan, Banirban,
> etc.) have to say, and point us in the direction they want to take.
> 
> Greetz,
> -- Rob.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Blomfield [mailto:s.blomfield@cox.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 5:28 AM
> > To: Mono-vb@lists.ximian.com
> > Subject: RE: [Mono-devel-list] Re: [mono-vb] VB Class status
> >
> > At this point in time I also would be able to assist in either porting
> 
> > code from C# to VB.NET or writing code from scratch in VB.NET.
> > Unfortunately my native C# code is not up to scratch to contribute new
> 
> > code though.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mono-vb-admin@lists.ximian.com
> > [mailto:mono-vb-admin@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Gregg
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:33 AM
> > To: Rob.Tillie@Student.tUL.EDU
> > Cc: mono-vb@lists.ximian.com; mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com
> > Subject: RE: [Mono-devel-list] Re: [mono-vb] VB Class status
> >
> >
> > Well, I'm certainly willing to help.  I've got a lot of experience in
> > programming both VB.NET and C#, and would be glad to do whatever I can
> 
> > to help.  Of course, having a legion of VB developers won't do us any
> > good if the build system isn't up to the task yet.  What will it take
> > to get this working?
> >
> > I know that it would take a while to rebuild everything in VB, even
> > just porting the C# code will take a while.  However, it seems like a
> > worthwhile cause to do this so as to not pollute the C# compiler or
> > language with constructions necessary to create the VisualBasic
> > namespace.
> >
> > Additionally it would create a sample library of VisualBasic code, and
> 
> > probably provide a lot of feedback to the people working on the VB
> > compiler, to ensure that all the issues are worked out.
> >
> > Ryan Gregg
> > Intellidev
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob.Tillie@Student.tUL.EDU [mailto:Rob.Tillie@Student.tUL.EDU]
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:25 AM
> > To: Ryan Gregg
> > Cc: mono-vb@lists.ximian.com; mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com
> > Subject: RE: [Mono-devel-list] Re: [mono-vb] VB Class status
> >
> >  The problem is I guess that more people on this list program in C#
> > rather then VB. Another problem is that the build system isn't ready
> > yet to build VB.NET dll's, as MBAS is not quit ready. Besides that it
> > would take some time to rewrite everything to VB. I helped a bit in
> > the implementation, but I don't know enough VB to program in it.
> >
> > Greetz,
> > -- Rob.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ryan Gregg
> > Cc: mono-vb@lists.ximian.com; mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com
> > Sent: 25-6-04 7:37
> > Subject: RE: [Mono-devel-list] Re: [mono-vb] VB Class status
> >
> > Wouldn't it just make more sense to implement the VB namespace in its
> > own language?   That's the approach Microsoft took when developing it,
> > and granted it might be some porting work from this point since the
> > class was already started in C#, but I think in the long run it would
> > be a wiser decision.
> >
> > For all we know, there might be future changes in the future that may
> > require other VB specific features to properly compile that we would
> > have to create custom exceptions for or otherwise modify how the IL is
> 
> > generated from the source code.  It seems better in my view at least
> > to hedge against this possible condition and implement the library in
> > VB.
> >
> > Ryan Gregg
> > Intellidev
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mono-devel-list-admin@lists.ximian.com
> > [mailto:mono-devel-list-admin@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Raja R
> > Harinath
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:03 AM
> > To: A Rafael D Teixeira
> > Cc: mono-vb@lists.ximian.com; mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Re: [mono-vb] VB Class status
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > "A Rafael D Teixeira" <rafaelteixeirabr@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > Kudos Raja, you went right to the point.
> > >
> > > The problem is (besides the MonoTODO) that if C# doesn't have the
> > syntax
> > > to support it, we may have to rewrite part, or the whole, of our
> > library
> > > in VB.NET, or put an option in mcs to specifically allow such
> > extension
> > > of syntax (Miguel probably wouldn't like that).
> >
> > If it is just for us to implement Microsoft.VisualBasic in C#, we
> > probably don't need a special syntax for this.  We can have an
> > internal attribute named
> >
> >   Microsoft.VisualBasic.Mono__DefaultValueAttribute
> >
> > And either 'mcs' or ParameterBuilder.SetCustomAttribute() can handle
> > this specially.  However, it won't work with CSC -- I don't see that
> > as a major problem, though.
> >
> > If you want to provide a general facility for expressing this CIL
> > capability in C#, then, yeah -- it's a problem :-)
> >
> > - Hari
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