[Mono-osx] Delphi Prism and all those Cocoa bridges

Duane Wandless duane at wandless.net
Wed Mar 4 16:49:24 EST 2009

Ron - I agree with much of what you typed, especially regarding tools being
agnostic towards languages.  And I do not want to debate languages... though
I do believe in critical mass.  The more developers using a given language
or tool will tip the viability of that language or tool.

I guess this article needs more analysis.  The end goal is to develop .NET
applications that are more integrated with Interface Builder.  I really do
not care if I have IB/Obj-C or IB/ObjectPascal UI code as long as I can have
C# code and the IB integration.

As long as Delphi Prism is agnostic and allows me to use C# from within
their IDE all is good.  But if Delphi Prism is not agnostic then we are back
to the question, how is the non-agnostic tool relevant?  This is essentially
the question I have not seen answered, and also one I have not tried to
answer for myself by trying Prism.  It is unclear from the Prism material if
C# can be side-by-side coded from within the Prism IDE.  I'm guessing not
unless you have VS Pro, though that is still unclear.

Time permitting I will try Delphi Prism one of these days.


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Ron Grove <ron_grove at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > I may be missing something but I do not see the advantage of Delphi Prism
> > (which may just be a personal preference ).  Yes the CLR can
> > be utilized through various languages.
> Probably is personal preference.  Mine is for Pascal.
> >  But the one language that is
> > relevant (at least to me) is C#.  Not Pascal, C++ or VB.  Yes the syntax
> of
> > object pascal may be similar and yes it may have additional features not
> > found in C#.  But it is not C#.  I do not want to learn yet another
> > language.
> The one language that is relevant (at least to me) is Pascal.  Not C#, C++,
> VB.  Yes, the syntax of C# is similar to Delphi's Object Pascal because the
> same man was a major part of the design process, but it is not Pascal, etc.
> What's the point of bringing these religious language debates into this
> process anyhow?  We all have our biases and I'm sure everyone here knows
> this road leads nowhere.  RemObjects is a commercial organization who has
> committed time and resources to see success on the OS X platform.  Their
> commercial customers (like me) are also going to want to see them succeed.
>  So going down this path won't just cause language tensions but could also
> cause customers who are prone to overreaction when their financial interests
> are at stake (again, like me) to overreact and create a cycle of tension
> where there doesn't need to be any.  marc has even offered bounties to get
> things going the right direction.  I think this deserves a modicum of
> respect at least not to put down Oxygene.
> > The "solution" I'm looking for is a native Mac IDE that integrates nicely
> > with Interface Builder where the language is C#, utilizing one of the
> > bridges, Monobjc, mobjc, etc.  My current environment is virtual Win7
> Visual
> > Studio, mobjc, and Interface Builder.
> And I see no point in any development tool that doesn't respect the
> language agnostic goals of the CLR.  I personally prefer to see the GPL
> finally removed from MonoDevelop and IB integration plug-ins designed for
> use in it in a language agnostic manner so I can use the language of my
> choice, just like I can on Windows.  This would also provide opportunities
> for commercial organizations like RemObjects can provide innovative new
> solutions to their customers.  Seriously, why should I live with C# only
> restrictions with Mono tools when I don't have to on Windows.  Makes no
> sense to me.
> >
> > Thanks everyone for the ongoing discussions and opinions... I try to keep
> an
> > open mind.
> I do to, until my beloved Pascal is given short shrift...  I would just
> like to reiterate my belief that language agnosticism is a worthy goal in
> the CLR and IMO should be encouraged by the tools given the most focus by
> the community.
> Thank you,
> Ron
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