[Mono-osx] [Cocoa-sharp] cocoa-sharp-dev Google Group has beenshutdown
gnorton at novell.com
Wed Jan 23 10:37:36 EST 2008
Mono SVN with a link to the lists.
On 23-Jan-08, at 10:32 AM, Michael Caron wrote:
> Where will you post this, Geoff?
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> From: mono-osx-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> [mailto:mono-osx-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Norton
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:50 PM
> To: Andrew Satori
> Cc: David_Hudson at capgroup.com; cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com;
> mono-osx at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [Mono-osx] [Cocoa-sharp] cocoa-sharp-dev Google Group has
> I'm working on getting a few things on objc2# rounded out so at
> least its previewable. I'll post that for friday. People can review
> over the weekend and we can schedule an open meeting to discuss the
> future with everyones concerns next week sometime (wednesday-ish so
> people have the weekend / begining of the week to collect thoughts /
> feedbacks / etc).
> I'll try to do it around 1-2pm EST so that its not too late for europe
> and not too early for PST.
> On 22-Jan-08, at 10:37 PM, Andrew Satori wrote:
>> Well, I'm good with this, but I think we really want to hear Geoff's
>> before any decisions are made.
>> As for the website, I think we can make something work for what you
>> and need. Manuel, if you have some ideas on the look and feel shoot
>> we can
>> round table it. I'm generally on IRC during the day (GMT -5) and can
>> generally arrange to be online at any time if you want to hash some
>> of this
>> The current CocoaSharp content and site has been slowly being
>> redone, as the
>> existing Wiki has really gotten outdated fast, so at this point, I'd
>> start getting your ideas together and we'll move forward.
>> On 1/22/08 8:22 PM, "Manuel de la Pena" <mandel at themacaque.com>
>> found the
>> proper letters on the keyboard to produce:
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> I have to say that I agree with you, I don't really care if we are
>>> going to
>>> use or not the Novell resources, but if we do so we have to be
>>> careful and
>>> make sure that the project does not get diluted in the mono project.
>>> I believe that we should try and make a difference between the mono
>>> for Mac
>>> OS X development and what we want to achieve.. It is clear that both
>>> projects are very tight together and that if we do our work
>>> correctly they
>>> could even merge, but this should not be neither a goal or an
>>> initial idea.
>>> I think that we should have some kind of manifesto that states what
>>> project wants to achieve and how, in other word a nice text
>>> explaining or
>>> goals clearly and that can be understand by anyone no matter their
>>> Deciding which people (from my point of view the most experienced
>>> ones from
>>> the last attempt/team) are going to direct the team should be our
>>> right now. That way we could start organizing resources and
>>> performing some
>>> design decisions. We cannot do anything until we get the new
>>> bindings for
>>> object v2 besides getting the team up.
>>> Manuel (2 am at Spain.... going to bed, the dodgy tv adverts have
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> [mailto:mono-osx-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
>>> Sent: 22 January 2008 18:36
>>> To: David_Hudson at capgroup.com; cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com;
>>> mono-osx at lists.ximian.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Mono-osx] [Cocoa-sharp] cocoa-sharp-dev Google Group
>>> has been
>>> Now that I'm back in the office and not painting / limited access.
>>> I/Druware owns the CocoaSharp.org domain and website. We have,
>>> IMO, two
>>> options. Merge everything into the Mono Project, or keep
>>> everything under
>>> the CocoaSharp domain (or possibly both which is probably the Best
>>> of Both
>>> worlds, but I don't know that we have the resources).
>>> There is good and bad to both.
>>> With the Mono Project option, we run the risk of being 'lost in the
>>> as it were, with the nominally Linux centered world of Mono, many
>>> of the Mac
>>> specific details could get left by the wayside. The other issue is
>>> cocoasharp really goes beyond the scope of 'mono', so it begs the
>>> of if it fits.
>>> With the CocoaSharp.org, you get a site that is something we can
>>> without impact from the Mono Team, but it comes with none of
>>> theease that
>>> using Novell's web infrastructure brings, but also gives us the
>>> power to
>>> create whatever we want (it is running on a shared host / Windows /
>>> hosting), and though it has a wiki today, the underlying code is
>>> AWFUL, so
>>> if that's the route we want to go, I'd like to move to something a
>>> better :-).
>>> Times have changed a bunch since I put up the original Cocoa Sharp
>>> site, the
>>> people have changed, and the Mac has become a full peer in the Mono
>>> community, with a person on staff at Novell working on it, so for
>>> like me that had become pretty frustrated with the lack of progress
>>> struggles to keep Mono and the Mac on working terms are returning
>>> to the
>>> I'm good with either choice, and I'll look to the community to
>>> point a
>>> direction, but we do need to consolidate the efforts in a single
>>> On 1/22/08 11:34 AM, "David_Hudson at capgroup.com"
> <David_Hudson at capgroup.com
>>> found the proper letters on the keyboard to produce:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> In the interest of consolidating communication for the Cocoa#
>>>> project, I
>>>> have shut down the cocoa-sharp-dev Google group. I posted a message
>>>> directing devs to the Mono cocoa# mailing list.
>>>> Are we using the
>>>> Mono wiki or somewhere else? Once that is determined, I will copy
>>>> over the
>>>> Google wiki pages and post them on the official Cocoa# wiki page
>>>> and close
>>>> down the Google wiki I had set up. Note that much of the content
>>>> on the
>>>> Google wiki was simply copied from the old cocoasharp.org wiki.
>>>> Also, there is the CSharpXcodeplugin. Are people still interested
>>>> developing this? If so I can move it back to the Mono SVN (there
>>>> is an old
>>>> version of the code already in there).
>>>> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
>>>> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
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