[Mono-list] ubuntu support

[Alan]

Firstly, packages are already available for debian which means ubuntu
ones shouldn't be much longer.

http://www.meebey.net/posts/the_big_split_mono_2.10_debian_packaging/

Secondly, there are many reasons why debian packages take longer than
opensuse packages. It mostly boils down to debian policy. It would
take between 5 and 10 hours to give debian a set of mono package
similar to what is provided to opensuse, however this won't be
acceptable. Debian has its policies for good reason and if you don't
agree with them it should be raised with debian. See
http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ for more details.

What it boils down to is that packaging mono for debian/ubuntu takes
dozens (hundreds?) of man hours. Packaging for opensuse takes a
handful. It is unlikely that xamarin will duplicate the great work
done by Jo Shields and Mirco Bauer in the near future (though this is
speculation) simply due to the huge effort this would require. It'd
take far longer than doing all the opensuse, windows and mac packages
which they take care of. Jo and Mirco will get you a modern mono as
fast as is humanly possible. If it's not fast enough, I'm sure they'd
welcome help :)

Alan

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:28 AM, David Harper <daharper at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I agree with Daniel, I think he is being both reasonable and
> forward thinking.
>
> There is an opportunity now to broaden Mono’s usage via Ubuntu.
>
> If Java can be deployed seamlessly across platforms why can’t Mono? On
> Ubuntu 10.10 we can install parallel versions of Mono, but we can’t expect
> the end users to set up parallel environments just to run our applications.
>
> The differences between Mono 2.10 and 2.6.7 are significant enough that as a
> developer you either drop Ubuntu as a target or you code large portions of
> your application for the lowest common denominator (2.6.7) – which is
> frustrating.
>
> Ubuntu’s acceptance of key Mono desktop projects has demonstrated that Mono
> has a lot to offer, and with Ubuntu being the best Linux experience (in my
> opinion) this is a really good opportunity that’s worth exploring.
>
> Everybody is grateful for the efforts of Mirco Bauer and Jo Shields.
>
> Daniel is just asking the question, and I think it is a good question worth
> investigating.
> From: Bojan Rajkovic
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:24 PM
> To: mono-list
> Subject: Re: [Mono-list] ubuntu support
>
>
> On May 16, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote:
>
> Currently all my volunteer time is going into Wide Margin. And I foresee it
> taking up all my time in the near future.
>
> However my suggestion is that the mono project drops open suse and instead
> supports ubuntu.
>
> This would require no extra effort. And would get the latest mono to a
> larger user base.
>
>
>
> This is where you're wrong—it would require extra effort. Not many of the
> "Mono team" members use Ubuntu (or any Debian-derivative, which means
> learning a whole new set of package management/building tools), and as Jon
> already pointed out, there are a very talented set of Debian packagers who
> do a much better job of making available proper packages for Debian and
> Debian derivatives than the Mono team ever could. There are better things
> for the newly-minted Xamarin team to focus on than duplicating work that is
> already done by two able and willing hands. If you want up-to-date Ubuntu
> packages, donate some cash or better yet, some time to either Mirco Bauer
> (meebey) or Jo Shields (directhex), who comprise the Mono packaging tag-team
> for Debian.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Slide <slide.o.mix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure no one would mind if you volunteered to help out.
>>
>> On May 16, 2011 7:36 PM, "Daniel Hughes" <trampster at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I looking for upto date packages,
>> >
>> > I"m still waiting for 2.8 packages and 2.10 packages.
>> >
>> > So what I'm looking for is when a new version of mono is released on the
>> > same day the new Ubuntu packages are available. Not a year or two or
>> > three
>> > later.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Pobst <monkey at jpobst.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 5/16/2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Hughes wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Can we expect official ubuntu support going forward?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> How do you define "official ubuntu support"?
>> >>
>> >> The community has excellent Ubuntu packagers who know the best way to
>> >> package Mono for Ubuntu, and submit these packages for inclusion in the
>> >> official Ubuntu releases.
>> >>
>> >> So the short of it is: Mono is already packaged and included in Ubuntu.
>> >>
>> >> What more than that would you like to see?
>> >>
>> >> Jonathan
>> >>
>
>
> —Bojan
>
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