[Mono-list] Ask Microsoft: Mono support

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Not only can't it come as a surprise, we should all nod our heads in
agreement...  There's no question that MSFT .Net on Windows is more complete
and more solid than Mono right now.  It's ok, we shouldn't expect it to be
different yet.  I would argue that even Linux, with it's much longer history
and incredibly greater amount of resource and effort, is just over the last
year approaching the stability and completeness of Windows in certain
markets.

Somebody said in IRC that based on code count, mono so far is estimated to
have cost under $1m in Novell-paid time to write.  While our leverage is
much higher in open source, this is still a far cry from the kind of money
Microsoft has thrown behind .Net

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From: mono-list-admin@lists.ximian.com
[mailto:mono-list-admin@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Dan Maltes
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:13 AM
To: DAN MALTES; 'Carl Olsen'; 'Jonathan Pryor'; 'Jonathan Stowe'
Cc: 'RoBiK'; 'Mono-List'
Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Ask Microsoft: Mono support

I will add to this that Amanda's use of the word "attempt" is obviously
meant to communicate that Mono is not as complete or solid as the MS .NET
framework.  Of course an MS rep will say something like this, of course they
want folks to use .NET on Windows.  That's a given folks.  No need to be
offended, or galled, or whatever else.  MS was the first to do .NET and they
will continue to make the point(right, wrong or otherwise) that it's the
most feature rich and stable.  Come now, this can't come as a surprise.

-Dan

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From: mono-list-admin@lists.ximian.com
[mailto:mono-list-admin@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Dan Maltes
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:47 AM
To: 'Carl Olsen'; 'Jonathan Pryor'; 'Jonathan Stowe'
Cc: 'RoBiK'; 'Mono-List'
Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Ask Microsoft: Mono support

I agree, Amanda Morgan actually says in the second paragraph: "Frankly, Mono
is just one example of the level of excitement within the developer
community around .NET. "  That sure doesn't sound like a FUD of Mono to me.
It sounds to me like Amanda is simply saying "we're not involved with Mono,
but they are creating something just like the .NET framework because it's an
exciting platform".   As far as FUD goes, I think people will pull what they
want out of what other people say because they have a bias and it serves
their agenda.  Sociology 101 really.

-Dan 

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From: mono-list-admin@lists.ximian.com
[mailto:mono-list-admin@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Carl Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:15 AM
To: 'Jonathan Pryor'; 'Jonathan Stowe'
Cc: 'RoBiK'; 'Mono-List'
Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Ask Microsoft: Mono support

I didn't find Microsoft's position to be negative at all.  I agree that ease
of use and standardization is needed on Linux platforms.  Mono provides
exactly that.  I've been programming mostly with Microsoft Visual C# for the
past year or two and I find it fairly easy to learn to program with C# on
Mono.  If I had to use another language, I'd be completely lost.  I'm only
guessing, but Mono could lead to a flood of applications being developed for
Linux platforms which would only increase the attraction to Linux.  I like
Microsoft products because so many people are using them that there's quite
a body of knowledge floating around amongst general users, but I'm not
opposed to competition.  I find Linux to be difficult to work with, but I'm
sure it's only because I'm unfamiliar with it.  Competition is a good thing
for consumers.  I want to thank Microsoft for making C# open source and I
want to thank Novell and all the people who have worked on Mono for giving
us more options instead of less.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mono-list-admin@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- 
> admin@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Pryor
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:00 AM
> To: Jonathan Stowe
> Cc: RoBiK; Mono-List
> Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Ask Microsoft: Mono support
> 
> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 06:48, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> <snip/>
> > Yes this all true but (and possibly only in my reading) the "attempt 
> > by Novell" phrase appears to be trying to give it an entirely 
> > negative connotation.
> 
> I suppose that does have a slightly negative connotation.  More 
> galling to me is that Novell isn't the only entity involved; lots of 
> individuals are also involved, as is Mainsoft (and likely other
companies).
> 
>  - Jon
> 
> 
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