[Mono-list] AW: installshield/mono
Jochen Wezel
jwezel@compumaster.de
Mon, 24 May 2004 17:11:04 +0200
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Hi Bob!
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Year, we are preparing our software to be platform independent by
programming with .NET framework. But platform indepency is only matched
if our installer also takes care of the environment. That's why our
original question to Emma was if InstallShield already supports the
distribution of .NET application to Windows and Linux and MacOS-X.
=20
Our target platforms are all .NET featurable platforms: Windows (of
course), Linux (Mono), MacOS-X (Mono) and maybe others which are
supported by Mono.
=20
Since .NET programs only need to be copied and started, it's often not a
hassle. But there are some situations, where an installer is needed:
- Automatic distribution of the latest .NET environment if not yet
installed on the local system
- the MS .NET framework for Windows systems
- the Mono .NET framework for all other platforms (or
additionally/alternatively to Windows, too)
- Automatic distribution of addionally required libraries (often placed
into the Global Assembly Cache (GAC)) which are not yet installed on the
client's system
Example: PostgreSQL or MySQL libraries are distributed within the
Mono .NET framework, but are missing in MS's .NET framework
- Automatic distribution of self-developed libraries which should get
installed into the GAC
- Automatic distribution and installation of "windows services" (or how
they're called on Linux systems)
- Simple possibility to place the executables into a location of the
path variable (because Linux is very console orientated)
Important for Mono and Linux is the creation of a shell script which
involves the Mono runtime, first (currently, .NET apps cannot be started
directly)
- Creation of start links on the desktop as well as in the start menu in
Windows, Linux (KDE + Gnome) and MacOS-X
- Creation of an autostart mechanism for the CDs (I don't know if
MacOS-X or Linux provide similar techniques to Microsoft's autostart.inf
file)
=20
It would be great if the setup developer could use a similar workflow to
create multi-platform setups as he would create a normal windows setup.
Only optionally he would be able to say: use other properties/settings
for Linux or Mono here or there.
=20
A DemoShield for all those platforms would be greatly appreciated,
certainly :) but this is maybe another task...
=20
I also send a copy of this e-mail to the Mono list, the Mono hackers
might have got additional recommendations/requests for you. I hope, this
is okay for you.
=20
Thanks for your short description of your future plannings regarding
Mono & Co.
=20
Best regards
Jochen
________________________________
Von: Bob Corrigan [mailto:BobC@installshield.com]=20
Gesendet: Montag, 24. Mai 2004 16:02
An: Jochen Wezel
Cc: Emma Billington
Betreff: installshield/mono
Jochen,
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Emma let me know that you're interested in having a discussion about
mono support in InstallShield - I'd be happy to get to understand your
thoughts/requirements in more detail, as this is a technology we're
paying close attention to.
=20
Thanks for your feedback.
=20
Best regards,
=20
Bob
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>Hi Bob!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>Year, we are preparing our software to be =
platform=20
independent by programming with .NET framework. But platform indepency =
is only=20
matched if our installer also takes care of the environment. =
</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D936133314-24052004>That's why=20
our </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D936133314-24052004>original question to Emma was if =
InstallShield already=20
supports the distribution of .NET application to Windows and Linux and=20
MacOS-X.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>Our target platforms are all .NET featurable =
platforms:=20
Windows (of course), Linux (Mono), MacOS-X (Mono) and maybe others which =
are=20
supported by Mono.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>Since .NET programs only need to be copied =
and started,=20
it's often not a hassle. But there are some situations, where an =
installer=20
is needed:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>- Automatic distribution of the latest .NET =
environment=20
if not yet installed on the local system</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004> - the MS .NET framework =
for Windows=20
systems</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004> - the Mono .NET framework =
for all=20
other platforms (or additionally/alternatively to Windows,=20
too)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>- Automatic distribution of addionally =
required=20
libraries (often placed into the Global Assembly Cache (GAC)) which are =
not yet=20
installed on the client's system</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004> Example: PostgreSQL =
or MySQL=20
libraries are distributed within the Mono .NET framework, but are =
missing in=20
MS's .NET framework</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>- Automatic distribution of self-developed =
libraries=20
which should get installed into the GAC</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>- Automatic distribution and installation of =
"windows=20
services" (or how they're called on Linux systems)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>- Simple possibility to place the executables =
into a=20
location of the path variable (because Linux is very console=20
orientated)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D936133314-24052004>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004> Important for Mono and =
Linux is the=20
creation of a shell script which involves the Mono runtime, first =
(currently,=20
.NET apps cannot be started directly)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>- Creation of=20
start links on the desktop as well as in the start menu in Windows, =
Linux (KDE=20
+ Gnome) and MacOS-X</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>- Creation of an autostart mechanism for the =
CDs (I=20
don't know if MacOS-X or Linux provide similar techniques to Microsoft's =
autostart.inf file)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>I<SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>t would be great if the setup developer could =
use a=20
similar workflow to create multi-platform setups as he would create a =
normal=20
windows setup. Only optionally he would be able to say: use other=20
properties/settings for Linux or Mono here or=20
there.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>A DemoShield for all those platforms would be =
greatly=20
appreciated, certainly :) but this is maybe another=20
task...</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>I also send a copy of this e-mail to the Mono =
list, the=20
Mono hackers might have got additional recommendations/requests for you. =
I hope,=20
this is okay for you.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D936133314-24052004>Thanks for your =
short description of=20
your future plannings regarding Mono & Co.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>B<SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>est regards</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2>J<SPAN=20
class=3D936133314-24052004>ochen</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>Von:</B> Bob Corrigan=20
[mailto:BobC@installshield.com] <BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Montag, 24. Mai =
2004=20
16:02<BR><B>An:</B> Jochen Wezel<BR><B>Cc:</B> Emma=20
Billington<BR><B>Betreff:</B> installshield/mono<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Emma let me know that =
you’re=20
interested in having a discussion about mono support in InstallShield =
– I’d be=20
happy to get to understand your thoughts/requirements in more detail, as =
this is=20
a technology we’re paying close attention =
to.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
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