[Mono-list] About RPMS of .NET packages (using MonoDevelop as a case study)

[Andy Satori]

I think it make perfect sense, but since it would make it easier for=20
'users' and not require a techie that has not reached a significant=20
knowledge level with AutoTools I think the bulk of the Unix world will=20=

think it's a very very bad idea.

Andy

On Apr 2, 2004, at 9:44 AM, Philippe Lavoie wrote:

> Hi folks,
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> There was a small discussion which stemed from the release of=20
> MonoDevelop. MonoDevelop already has a list of RPMS which are needed=20=

> for it to work. However, I think that having multiple RPMS is braking=20=

> the .NET spirit.
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> Let me explain. Then flame away.
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> In .NET, they try hard to break the DLL hell. There are two solutions,=20=

> the GAC and copying everything locally. The GAC is work in progress=20
> with mono, so let=92s focus on the other one.
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> According to the .NET philosophy, every =93managed=94 dependency of=20
> MonoDevelop should be bundled inside its own package and that=92s it.=20=

> The only dependencies should be the unmanaged ones. =A0
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> Maybe have a .NET application binary package could/should/would=20
> unbundle to a structure as follows
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> Application.exe
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> Application=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
 # this would be a sh script which=20
> calls the exe
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>  Application.exe.libs/
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> Application.exe.libs/lib1.dll
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> Application.exe.libs/lib2.dll
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> Application.exe.libs/lib3.dll
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> Application.exe.config
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> One of the things I notice with unix is that I need to do a lot of=20
> dependency checking before I get something up and running. The above=20=

> structure would remove this (except for unmanaged dependencies) and it=20=

> could be optimize when someone compiles by source since the libraries=20=

> might already be inside the GAC. The philosophy I think is that hard=20=

> disk is cheap and DLL hell is not cheap.
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> Anyway, I liked it when I installed Axiom. It also contained the Tao=20=

> and other managed libraries it needed. I didn=92t need to fetch 3 or 4=20=

> more packages.
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> In Linux, we also have dependency hell with RPMS when you start to mix=20=

> compiling from source and adding RPMS made by different vendors, etc.=20=

> We should move away from that model, gtk#.dll could have been bundled=20=

> with MonoDevelop. If people want to put all dependencies in a GAC or=20=

> something, they will need a real installer. Otherwise it=92s the copy=20=

> everything locally methodology. At least according to the philosophy=20=

> of .NET. Do we have an installer for mono applications under Unix yet?
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> What do you guys think?
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> Philippe Lavoie
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