[Mono-list] RE: [Mono-devel-list] Surveys: Mono 1.0 and Mono Conference.

Sandor, David David.Sandor@scigames.com
Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:31:26 -0400

I have not contributed much to the Mono effort as a whole, however I have
some very real uses (as I am sure many others on this list have as well) for
the Mono release.  I can tell you that in order to adopt mono in my shop and
begin a more focused push to Linux with Mono I need (at a minimum) the

* A solid C# compiler
* WebServices (SOAP) (at least) interacting with the .NET implementations.
* All the ancillary code to support the 2 items above.

With that I could begin using Linux/Mono and begin it's acceptance into my
(and many other) organizations.

As far as bug fixes go, as long as bugs are documented and that
documentation is readily available to developers that should suffice.
Additionally, regular updates that address these bugs would make acceptance
a lot easier.

Ideally I would like to see a Windows.Forms implementation in Mono that
makes a near transparent solution for Microsoft centric developers.  This
would help drive the acceptance of Mono onto the desktop which in turn would
provide added value to the Linux to the Desktop push.

My 2 cents..
David Sandor

-----Original Message-----
From: Miguel de Icaza [mailto:miguel@ximian.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:25 PM
To: mono-list@ximian.com; mono-devel-list@ximian.com
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Hey guys,

   I want to query the community, and find out about two things:

	* What should Mono 1.0 be?

	* When and where should we do a Mono developer summit.

* Mono 1.0

	Mono is rapidly approaching maturity in various of its class
        libraries, the question in everyone's minds is: is it worth
        waiting for the full .net framework implementation to be ready
        to publish 1.0, or is a subset fine?
        Mono 1.0 so far is going to be a subset, and my current thinking
        is `.NET 1.0 minus two major pieces: EnterpriseServices and
        But today some people suggested that we might want to have a
        Mono 1.0 release earlier by committing to less than that,
        something like: 
        Mono 1.0: 
        	C# compiler
        	Toolchain (ilasm, ildasm, al, etc)
        	corlib, System, System.XML, System.Security.
        	ADO.NET (System.Data and providers)
        	ASP.NET (System.Web.Services and System.Web)
        Anything else that is robust by the time the other components
        are deemed "stable" would also make it.  So if for example
        "System.Wasabinator" is of 1.0 quality by the time the rest is
        done, we can also include it. 
        We would later publish the other components in upcoming
        	JScript, VB.NET (compiler and runtimes)
* Mono Conference (Code name: Mono Summit of Love).

        Gnome has been fairly successful at running yearly conferences
        for users and developers.   And these face to face meetings are
        fantastic to improve the collaboration between the various parts
        of the project, and help to go over development bumps rather
        Also, it is great to put faces and voices to nicknames and email
        So am thinking that we need to have a such a summit.  There are
        two questions: what is the audience for this summit and where
        should we base it.
                We can certainly make this a hacker-only conference, but
                given the amount of projects, companies and developers
                using Mono, it might make sense to have something with a
                larger scope.
                In one extreme we have the `big room with internet
                access, printers and laptops' and in the other we have
                something more formal including presentations on
                specific technologies, tutorials and workshops. 
                I know active Mono developers would like to come (and am
                working on getting the funding to pay for airfares and
                hotels for those who can not afford a trip to the other
                end of the world).
                I suggested Cancun during summer break, but Nat quickly
                pointed out that if you are working for a company, there
                was no way your boss would authorize such a thing.
                So here are the parameters:
                	* If we are getting many latin-americans/asians,
                	  we should do it in a country that does not
                	  require VISAs, so that rules out the US and
                	* If we are getting mostly US citizens,
                	  Europeans that are under the VISA waiver
                	  program and just a few foreigners, we might
                	  consider the US.
                My choice would be to pick a cheap city, rather than an
                expensive one, and one that has good airport
                connectivity to minimize airfare cost, for case A we
                	* Cancun, Mexico.
                	* Barcelona, Spain
                For case B we could probably do Boston, unless some
                University wants to step up and provide some facilities.
Love, Love, Love,
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