[Mono-list] Windows Forms...wah

[Tum]

GTK# is pretty cool.  I like how some parts of it (like the TreeView)
are model based.  I'd like to see that extend to lists, grids and even
buttons though :). 

Just call me OO nazi.

::Tum

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mono-list-admin@ximian.com [mailto:mono-list-admin@ximian.com]
On
> Behalf Of Seun Osewa
> Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2002 3:36 a.m.
> To: mono-list@ximian.com
> Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Windows Forms...wah
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I don't know about designing something like swing ...
> are we talking about something that looks the same way
> on all platforms?  Something thatwould run slower on
> target platforms (even though the speed would be
> 'acceptable')?  Something that would we would have to
> convert people to?
> 
> I wouldn't say the mono effort should focus on such a
> toolkit because, but for compatibility sake, we
> already have gtk# (and qt# is in the works).  I don't
> see why we would need something else.  I am not really
> sure that many peope share your enthusiasm about
> swing; the end user doesn't see the 'wonderful
> design'.  What he sees is that: the program is
> available on time (when he needs it).  it performs
> well on his hardware.  If its 'ill-designed' but fast,
> the application designer can always layer something OO
> on top of it.  If its a standard that layer built on
> top will be portable.
> 
> This is my own 2 kobo (about 1/140 of 2 cents ;) )
> 
> Just some thoughts.
> 
> bye!
> 
> 
> --- code <code@263.net> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with you. If there is a better GUI toolkit
> > and it could run on
> > most platforms, most people will use it instead of
> > WinForm.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mono-list-admin@ximian.com
> > > [mailto:mono-list-admin@ximian.com] On Behalf Of
> > Tum
> > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:58 PM
> > > To: mono-list@ximian.com
> > > Subject: [Mono-list] Windows Forms...wah
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Here are some of my thoughts on the state of GUIs
> > and Windows Forms.
> > >
> > > +
> > > Windows Forms has very nice native controls.  It
> > is fast,
> > > responsive but VERY POORLY designed.  It is only a
> > thin layer
> > > about native windows controls.  Using native
> > controls is
> > > *ok*, but they could have at least used the
> > > model-view-controller design pattern. The first
> > thing I did
> > > when I started using Windows Forms was to write
> > > model/controller classes for lists and trees.
> > >
> > > +
> > > Swing is wonderfully designed.  It is the best and
> > most pure
> > > OO UI class library out there.  It used to have
> > major speed
> > > problems, but that hasn't been too much of an
> > issue lately.
> > >
> > > +
> > > I really think that instead of porting
> > Windows.Forms (which
> > > would be VERY hard), we should be thinking more
> > along the
> > > lines of creating something similar to Swing or
> > SWT.  A swing
> > > like implementation would be better as you would
> > have more
> > > control over component drawing (and thus better
> > support
> > > printing and UI capturing).  A designer plugin for
> > VS.NET can
> > > easily be written to support the new toolkit.  I
> > think the
> > > added bonus of being able to *reliably* port .NET
> > GUI
> > > applications to .NET would encourage people to use
> > the new
> > > toolkit over Windows.Forms.
> > >
> > > +
> > > If a swing-like toolkit was written, only a few
> > native
> > > routines would be needed.  Drawing/blting
> > (System.Drawing?),
> > > window creation and message/event dispatching.
> > This would be
> > > trivial to implement on Windows and Linux.  Most
> > of the UI
> > > could then be written in portable managed code :D.
> > >
> > > ::Tum
> > >
> > >
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