[Mono-dev] [Mono-list] .NET and Mono integration, the plans

Wed Nov 19 21:02:21 UTC 2014

On 19/11/14 21:51, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Hey,
Hey,

> I took a quick look at System.Web over the weekend, and I am not sure that it is that bad.
>
> Most of the native stuff has to do with performance counters and some authentication stuff on Windows (which we can
> skip/ignore).
I think also the caching subsystems use kernel APIs.

>
> But the core of System.Web should be relatively easy to move.
Right, but we need to remember about mod_mono compatibility and the fact that changing the core (the sole System.Web 
namespace) has cascading effects on all the other System.Web things - it's not an easy task to make it all work fine. 
It's definitely doable, but may require a lot of work to get right. It would be great if we could replace just the 
System.Web namespace for starters, but I doubt it's going to be that easy.

marek
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Marek Habersack <grendel at twistedcode.net <mailto:grendel at twistedcode.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 19/11/14 20:50, Martin Thwaites wrote:
>
>     Hey Martin,
>
>         Hi Miguel,
>
>         That sounds good.
>
>         In terms of System.Web then, would you prefer your internal team does it? or am I ok to start replacing some
>         files when
>         the sub-module is added?  I was thinking of trying to hit the HttpApplication class first and work my way out
>         from there.
>
>     Please be especially careful with System.Web - there are plenty of mines buried there. Both in our and in Microsoft
>     code. The latter codebase uses a lot of native Win32 methods which may not have portable (POSIX, preferably)
>     counterparts. Our code, OTOH, has a lot of cruft from the 1.1 days. The biggest problem with our code, however, is
>     its reliance on an early (wrong) assumption that ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> pages are, in fact, valid HTML. The parser
>     is such a convoluted piece of misery that touching it in a wrong way causes System.Web to fall apart. If you want to
>     start contributing I'd start there since there are issues we cannot fix using the current parser (especially the
>     conditional parsing part). I dare say that System.Web will be one of the most challenging parts to port. Good luck
>     and if you need any reviews and/or help don't hesitate to contact me.
>
>     marek
>
>
>         Thanks,
>         Martin
>
>         On 19 November 2014 19:41, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com <mailto:miguel at xamarin.com>
>         <mailto:miguel at xamarin.com <mailto:miguel at xamarin.com>>> wrote:
>
>              Hey,
>
>              I do not think we would be moving the code.   We would do two things:
>
>                * Make changes to the fork in mono/referencesoure
>                * Reference the new files from mono/external/referencesource
>
>              Miguel
>
>              On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Martin Thwaites <monoforum at my2cents.co.uk
>         <mailto:monoforum at my2cents.co.uk> <mailto:monoforum at my2cents.co.__uk <mailto:monoforum at my2cents.co.uk>>> wrote:
>
>                  HI Miguel,
>
>                  Thanks, exactly what I've been waiting for!  I only really have 1 question.
>
>                  In the ways that we are going to port things, you mention pulling in the entire assembly.  How exactly
>         would you
>                  be thinking this would work? try building and fixing anything that it depends from other libraries in
>         the other
>                  libraries? or are you going to fork the reference source, submodule it, reference all the files in the
>         .sources
>                  files within mono, then fix (i.e. add #ifdefs etc.) to the fork?
>
>                  Essentially, are you thinking that there will be an assembly that can simply be copied without changes
>         in the
>                  above circumstance?
>
>                  Thanks,
>                  Martin
>
>                  On 19 November 2014 17:48, Miguel de Icaza <miguel at xamarin.com <mailto:miguel at xamarin.com>
>         <mailto:miguel at xamarin.com <mailto:miguel at xamarin.com>>> wrote:
>
>                      Hey guys,
>
>                      As promised, the plans:
>
>         http://www.mono-project.com/__docs/about-mono/dotnet-__integration/
>         <http://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/dotnet-integration/>
>
>                      If you start work on something, please notify the list, and update the Trello board:
>
>         https://trello.com/b/vRPTMfdz/__net-framework-integration-__into-mono
>         <https://trello.com/b/vRPTMfdz/net-framework-integration-into-mono>
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>                      Miguel
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