[Mono-dev] Still seeking contractor to adding Tizen support to Mono

Bob Summerwill bob at summerwill.net
Thu Jun 12 17:37:06 UTC 2014

I think it's probably really simple,  yes.
I hope so anyway!    Thanks for the good wishes.

On Jun 12, 2014 10:03 AM, "Rafael Teixeira" <monoman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
> I hope you succeed either way, on finding a contractor or doing it
> yourself, but in truth I'm not sure how much 'porting' you need to do, as
> Tizen is just a broad target as Android and Linux are too. Do you need to
> port it to some specific CPU/SOC? Tizen lacks some basic dependency Mono
> can't leave without? (From the top of my mind, besides the tooling:
> autotool, gcc, etc..., Mono needs threading, normally pthreads, and a
> recent libc which should be in synch with gcc, so it is minimal stuff)
> Recently I've built Mono from head on Raspberry Pi, and it was quite easy,
> although it was very slow (a full day to build/install).
> Probably all you'll need is to guarantee you have the tooling right and
> adjust the autoconf scripts to recognize Tizen.
> Good luck, :)
> Rafael Teixeira
> O..:.)oooo
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob at summerwill.net>
> wrote:
>> PS.   If nobody comes forward I WILL just do the work myself.   I've been
>> doing professional C++ in the games industry for 18 years and am entirely
>> capable.
>> I am just very time-limited personally,  and have never built Mono
>> myself,  let alone done a port,  so it's going to be a rather slow
>> process.   I would rather pay an expert to do it quickly,  so I can get on
>> to the more interesting phases of the project.
>> I would have hoped that somebody in this group would have been interested
>> in porting the Mono Runtime to a true Linux mobile platform, in the open,
>> and getting paid for their effort into the bargain?
>> I guess I thought wrong :-(
>> Cheers,
>> Bob
>> On Jun 12, 2014 9:09 AM, "Bob Summerwill" <bob at summerwill.net> wrote:
>>> (reply,  rather than reply-all in error 2 days ago)
>>> Hey Edward,
>>> Thanks for making me smile at the start of the day!
>>> I'm not as naive as you may think.   I know Miguel and Nat personally,
>>> having met them at Xamarin Evolve last year and been in contact
>>> periodically ever since.    I've been asking them about Tizen support for
>>> the last year, but it just isn't a big enough market for them to bother
>>> with YET.    I attended the Tizen Developer Conference last week, and now
>>> have contacts in Samsung and Intel too.     I also have contacts in
>>> Unity3D, having just ended at 15+ year spell at EA.
>>> If you read my TizenExperts posting you will get a better idea of what
>>> I'm looking to build.
>>> http://www.tizenexperts.com/2014/05/introduction-monotizen/
>>> I'm seeking a contractor PURELY to port the runtime.    It already works
>>> on Linux, and I know that there are already multiple working private ports
>>> to Tizen.  I don't think it's right to keep for Mono Runtime on Tizen to be
>>> commercial.
>>> I'm not trying to build a full Xamarin.Tizen stack, including UI
>>> designers, etc.    That indeed would be a fool's errand.
>>> Phase 1 - Mono Runtime (seeking contractor, or I will do it myself worse
>>> case)
>>> Phase 2 - Bind Tizen C++ APIs using CppSharp (I have a contractor
>>> already lined up)
>>> Phase 3 - Very minimal MonoDevelop plugin (just build, run, debug) based
>>> on existing MeeGo plugin
>>> This humbler project is not an Ark.   It's actually pretty simple, and
>>> it is utterly complementary to Xamarin's business.   I shook Nat's hand
>>> last Tuesday as I gave him on a MonoTizen card in Xamarin's SF offices.
>>> I spent two hours having lunch with J.Frederick.     I'm not trying to
>>> screw Xamarin or directly compete with them.    Just to starting bringing
>>> Mono (open source) into Tizen world.
>>> Best wishes!
>>> BTW...  The "must not work for Xamarin"  should really have been...
>>> "must not work for Xamarin,  Microsoft,  Unity,  Samsung or Intel".
>>> Porting the Mono Runtime to Tizen is a community project.
>>> The benefit of this first phase (with no commercial extras)  is that it
>>> enables any developer in the world to build C# applications on Tizen.   A
>>> huge win for us all.   You'll need to write P/Invoke calls to any native
>>> code and won't have a Tizen-specific support in MonoDevelop,  but it will
>>> kick the answer out of HTML5 development for Tizen,  and will open things
>>> up for the huge number of app developers who will recoil in horror when
>>> they realize the complexity of C++ native development on Tizen.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bob
>>> On Jun 10, 2014 4:56 AM, "Edward Ned Harvey (mono)" <
>>> edward.harvey.mono at clevertrove.com> wrote:
>>>> > From: mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
>>>> mono-devel-list-
>>>> > bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Bob Summerwill
>>>> >
>>>> > I want to PAY SOMEBODY to port the Mono Runtime to Tizen.     Could
>>>> that
>>>> > person be YOU?    If so, please contact me.
>>>> ...
>>>> >     .    Must not be employed by Xamarin.
>>>> Good luck.  You might as well be asking a single human to build an ark,
>>>> or the Titanic.
>>>> Xamarin is a whole *company* full of people to make mono run on iOS and
>>>> Android primarily (and Mac too, as a 2nd class citizen.)
>>>> The fact that tizen is linux-based is irrelevant.  So is Android.
>>>> Personally I think the best bet is to come up with an attractive
>>>> business model and form a business relationship to expand Xamarin's product
>>>> offering to include Xamarin.Tizen.  Come up with some investment capital,
>>>> identify a business plan that leverages existing resources where possible
>>>> and increases where necessary...
>>>> As I said...  Good luck...
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