[Mono-dev] Mono 1.1.17 has been released.

Wed Aug 30 08:04:44 EDT 2006

On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 10:20 +0100, Ben O'Steen wrote:
> On Wed, August 30, 2006 09:58, ted leslie wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > when i am talking "in a browser" i am talking about stuff that you can't
> > handle with asp.net, like a full fledged  arcade game (to take it to an
> > extreme), a video/audio playing client, the power to properly sync video
> > and audio, integrate with the local file system and other resources.
> > ASP.NET and AJAX don't even get you 1% of the way there, and even flash
> > is incredibly lacking in some of these areas.
> 
> 
> Whilst I haven't put an awful lot of thought into it, can there be a middle
> ground between 'ActiveX'-style browser apps and install-only apps?
> 
> For example, instead of installing an app, or allowing "ActiveX-Mono" for want
> of a better term, you might add a decrypting (public) key 

yikes

> to your keyring for
> the application you wish to run. The 'add key' dialog might resemble the
> pop-up you will see if you try to access a secure website, whose keys were not
> created by a central certification authority.
> 
> This would hopefully allow applications encrypted with the correct private key

yikes (again)

For the record, you encrypt with a public key, not a private key. But
you're probably talking about signature, not encryption (which is done
with a private key).

Couldn't resist ;-)
Sebastien

> to run, and only those applications. Any others will be blocked by default.
> (To be honest, I'd be happy if all browser plugins worked in this way, flash
> especially. Thank you, FlashBlock.)
> 
> This could be backed up, by limiting the Mono runtime which runs embedded in
> the browser, to 'sand-box' the application.
> 
> However, I can only see this being useful in a corporate setting, with many
> people hot-desking or working from home, yet needing to access applications in
> the same environment, wherever they are, and without really installing a
> number of applications beforehand.
> 
> Even then, there are probably better methods to achieve the same end result.
> 
> >
> > I have been involved with many projects, and the clients always have the
> > same needs. The audience goes to a web site, and you want to make your
> > sale QUICK (or viral growth), say its a podcast client, a community
> > collaboration tool, casino games, whatever, and the clients don't want
> > to hear about a install executable, or a pokey asp.net sol'n, they want,
> > when i boils down to it, an active X plugin (vb, c, c++ depending on
> > needs) (or Java), and it just runs right there, no fuss no muss.
> >
> >
> > Programmers don't think twice about installing a gtk app,
> > 99+% of web users will not touch it with a ten foot pole.
> > They will move on to the next casino, or community collaboration tool
> > that just works right there, and yes many times now, you can find it to
> > be flash, but lets not even go there and discuss the use of flash.
> >
> > I am just saying, it would be nice if Mono answered everyones needs
> > (w.r.t the general places that you deploy programs - i.e. stand alone
> > apps, ajax, asp.net, scripts/command line, and lastly browser plugins ),
> > and filled this rather HUGE void (all be it a particularly commercial
> > one).
> >
> >
> >
> > -tl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 08:11 +0100, damien churchill wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________________
> >> From: damien churchill
> >> Sent: 30 August 2006 08:11
> >> To: 'Justin Dearing'
> >> Subject: RE: [Mono-dev] Mono 1.1.17 has been released.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah if you write your program in classes then itâ€™s easy enough just
> >> to make a gui for both web and desktop using asp/gtk whatever.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________________
> >> From:mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> >> [mailto:mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Justin
> >> Dearing
> >> Sent: 30 August 2006 08:00
> >> To: mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Mono 1.1.17 has been released.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't mean to start a flame war here, but if you want the write once
> >> run anywhere in a browser. If you can't do it in AJAX, do it in flash.
> >>
> >> Secondly, have you heard of ASP.NET, The equivilant of JSP for .NET.
> >> Mono's support is pretty good.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         Aside from needing C for linux kernel programming,
> >>         what would even be better then "write once, run anywhere",
> >>         is
> >>         "write for any purpose, write once, run anywhere"
> >>         and unfortunately mono has not provided a means to use it as a
> >>         browser
> >>         plugin like Java. For me i could go for just a plugin to
> >>         Firefox (linux
> >>         and Win32), wouldnt even need it to support IE.
> >>         Until this can occur, a programmer still has to Java or
> >>         (active x
> >>         plugin), to achieve  web page integration.
> >>         Unfortunately not having this is a huge barrier to some people
> >>         adopting
> >>         mono.
> >>         Providing this (as even MS .Net doesn't seem to provide web
> >>         page plugin
> >>         ability of .Net) would put Mono over the top, and likely bring
> >>         many more
> >>         contributors on board making Mono grow much faster.
> >>
> >>
> >>         -tl
> >>
> >>
> >>
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