[Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3

Bas Westerbaan bas.westerbaan at gmail.com
Sat Jun 25 09:28:45 EDT 2005


I'm quite sure that the Blue Gene/L would blow away the Cell processor with 
more than the 75 times you predict. Floating Point calculation certainly 
isn't the bottleneck of a computers performance.

Although there wasn't mentioned that the amount of teraflops of the Blue 
Gene/L was of the floating point arithmatics.

Doubling memory performance would increase the total performance a lot more 
than doubling the floating point power, even with those supercomputers that 
would rely heavily on floating point computation.

I wonder how many teraflops there have been in the graphics cards for normal 
PC's.

I remain a bit sceptical, for if the cell processors really were that 
enourmously impressive then we would have found them used in supercomputers 
and servers first instead of a game console.

Although the cell processors are at the start of a new architecture which 
could vastly improve. Whereas the 686 can't do anything but put more in one 
processor to increase performance (dual cores are just a way to keep up with 
the rest). I guess that there will be other new processor architectures of 
other vendors sooner or later.

With all those new architectures coming, CLI's certainly will have a bright 
future :-)

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>  *From:* mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
> mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Bas Westerbaan
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2005 13:45
> *To:* Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> 
>  I wonder what the price and the effective 'normal' computing power of the 
> Ps3 will be. I guess it will be optimised for graphics which would render it 
> useless for normal server usage, although clustering for a big supercomputer 
> would be great, as I guess Sony will intend to use their Cell processor for 
> too.
> 
> It is rumored that the XBox 360 Cpu contains (semi)native support for the 
> CLI (.net). It wouldn't supprise me, for there are processors running Java. 
> And it would also fit in the marketing strategy of microsoft to let .net 
> gain more ground.
> 
> 
> On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote: 
> > 
> > My understanding is similar. PS3 is a platform on which other OS's can 
> > run, including Linux, but Linux is not the native OS of PS3. Sony said that 
> > there is no reason why Windows or OS X won't run on it (if the vendors 
> > wanted it to), but they (Sony) will only supply Linux (because they can). 
> > They also said that perhaps a new OS may be developed for it. I don't know 
> > if this means that they are looking at doing it, or whether they are just 
> > speculating. Either way, it will be good for Mono if apps run on PS3 in 
> > addition to Windows, Linux, and OS X. I think it's fairly certain that MS's 
> > .NET won't run on any of the consoles.
> >  Pete.
> > 
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
> > mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Bas Westerbaan
> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2005 13:00 
> > *To:* Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > 
> >  If I understood it properly, sony is going to let you have linux on the 
> > PS3 on an additional harddisk, which could mean that they don't use it as 
> > their main OS for the Ps3 (or not at least the specific linux you install). 
> > It would be great if Sony used linux as main Os for Ps3, but that would also 
> > mean that it would be very possible to use Sony games on your own Pc. They 
> > can prevent it by making the Linux installation limited, which would go 
> > against the whole linux thing (and could prevent installing to exotic stuff 
> > like maybe mono).
> > 
> > I guess time will tell once again
> > 
> > On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > That's it. By far the fastest hardware for the price, both PS3 and 
> > > Xbox are heavily subsidised with money being made from games. The upside for 
> > > Sony is that even if people use it as a computer, they will probably end up 
> > > buying the games as well (having the console) so they still make money and 
> > > get a larger market share. Everyone is happy.
> > >  Pete.
> > > 
> > >  ------------------------------
> > > *From:* mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
> > > mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Bas 
> > > Westerbaan
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:13 
> > > *To:* Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > 
> > >  I guess that the main benefit of using a PS3 would be the low price 
> > > of the hardware.
> > > 
> > > It seems they make money by selling games and loose a bit by selling 
> > > the consoles.
> > > 
> > > Try to buy the equivelent of the Xbox360 for the 400 dollars it will 
> > > probably cost at most.
> > > 
> > > On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager < peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > That's really good news. With these kinds of workstations being 
> > > > released I 
> > > > think it's inevitable that Mono will be ported, which will mean that 
> > > > it will
> > > > also run on PS3. Thanks for the info.
> > > > 
> > > > Pete.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com 
> > > > [mailto:mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Harry 
> > > > Holt
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 03:12 
> > > > To: Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com 
> > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > > 
> > > > This http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20040512033325.html 
> > > > may be a little more interesting to work with that the PS3.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 6/24/05, Bas Westerbaan <bas.westerbaan at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > I think that the gaming platforms is all about hype. That they use 
> > > > the
> > > > > capability of floating point calculation as the power of the 
> > > > platform
> > > > > is an example of the supervisialness of the whole marketing 
> > > > campaign. 
> > > > >
> > > > > A good while after they are released there should be decent tests,
> > > > > which will show exactly which of the platforms is best (for a 
> > > > purpose).
> > > > >
> > > > > Even though linux will run on the PS3 I wonder whether it will be 
> > > > > very customizable. And I also wonder whether Microsoft will ever 
> > > > be
> > > > > able to stop people from cracking their protections. It may be 
> > > > harder
> > > > > and take more time, but if their marketing campaign is right they 
> > > > > provide one of the cheapest amount of processing power per dollar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Time will tell.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/24/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net > wrote:
> > > > > > Well, I won't quite say "orders of magnitude". In floating point
> > > > > > Xbox 360 provides (approx.) 1 teraflops while PS3 does 1.8. The 
> > > > cell
> > > > > > processor does have multiple cores, but so does the PPC in Xbox. 
> > > > 
> > > > > > They should both be fantastic platforms but my pref would also 
> > > > be
> > > > > > with PS3 ;-) and I don't see MS enabling Linux on Xbox anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Still, with Linux running on PS3, my question is whether Mono 
> > > > will 
> > > > > > run
> > > > > too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pete.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com 
> > > > > > [mailto:mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com ] On
> > > > > Behalf Of Harry Holt
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 22:07
> > > > > > To: Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- 
> > > > > > From: Harry Holt <harryholt at gmail.com>
> > > > > > Date: Jun 24, 2005 1:18 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > > > > To: Bram Westerbaan < bram.westerbaan at gmail.com>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But I *do* want to use a PS3, because it will have *cell*
> > > > > > processors,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > should bring cooperative computing to a whole new level. You can 
> > > > 
> > > > > > send off threads for processing to the SPUs for processing, and 
> > > > even
> > > > > > utilize SPUs
> > > > > on
> > > > > > other networked processors for ad-hoc distributed processing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know what you mean about the Xbox2 being "just as fast". 
> > > > 
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > PS3 should be orders of magnitude faster, given some careful
> > > > > > consideration to OS optimization.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ... HH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/24/05, Bram Westerbaan < bram.westerbaan at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > > > On 6/24/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is the Playstation 3 architecture (Power PC) similar enough 
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > current Mac
> > > > > > > CPU's to allow Mono to run on PS3? With 2 teraflops (!) and 
> > > > sony 
> > > > > > > announcing support for Linux, it will be great to be able to 
> > > > run
> > > > > > > Mono on a supercomputer :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are there any plans for Mono on PS3?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > I do not know how it should be done. But I do know you don't 
> > > > want
> > > > > > > to use a
> > > > > > > PS3 when the Xbox 2 will have about the same speed but will 
> > > > run on
> > > > > > > MSIL processors :|. I really hope there will be a linux .net 
> > > > one day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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