[Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
Bas Westerbaan
bas.westerbaan at gmail.com
Sat Jun 25 09:28:45 EDT 2005
I'm quite sure that the Blue Gene/L would blow away the Cell processor with
more than the 75 times you predict. Floating Point calculation certainly
isn't the bottleneck of a computers performance.
Although there wasn't mentioned that the amount of teraflops of the Blue
Gene/L was of the floating point arithmatics.
Doubling memory performance would increase the total performance a lot more
than doubling the floating point power, even with those supercomputers that
would rely heavily on floating point computation.
I wonder how many teraflops there have been in the graphics cards for normal
PC's.
I remain a bit sceptical, for if the cell processors really were that
enourmously impressive then we would have found them used in supercomputers
and servers first instead of a game console.
Although the cell processors are at the start of a new architecture which
could vastly improve. Whereas the 686 can't do anything but put more in one
processor to increase performance (dual cores are just a way to keep up with
the rest). I guess that there will be other new processor architectures of
other vendors sooner or later.
With all those new architectures coming, CLI's certainly will have a bright
future :-)
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> *From:* mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
> mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Bas Westerbaan
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2005 13:45
> *To:* Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
>
> I wonder what the price and the effective 'normal' computing power of the
> Ps3 will be. I guess it will be optimised for graphics which would render it
> useless for normal server usage, although clustering for a big supercomputer
> would be great, as I guess Sony will intend to use their Cell processor for
> too.
>
> It is rumored that the XBox 360 Cpu contains (semi)native support for the
> CLI (.net). It wouldn't supprise me, for there are processors running Java.
> And it would also fit in the marketing strategy of microsoft to let .net
> gain more ground.
>
>
> On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is similar. PS3 is a platform on which other OS's can
> > run, including Linux, but Linux is not the native OS of PS3. Sony said that
> > there is no reason why Windows or OS X won't run on it (if the vendors
> > wanted it to), but they (Sony) will only supply Linux (because they can).
> > They also said that perhaps a new OS may be developed for it. I don't know
> > if this means that they are looking at doing it, or whether they are just
> > speculating. Either way, it will be good for Mono if apps run on PS3 in
> > addition to Windows, Linux, and OS X. I think it's fairly certain that MS's
> > .NET won't run on any of the consoles.
> > Pete.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
> > mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Bas Westerbaan
> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2005 13:00
> > *To:* Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> >
> > If I understood it properly, sony is going to let you have linux on the
> > PS3 on an additional harddisk, which could mean that they don't use it as
> > their main OS for the Ps3 (or not at least the specific linux you install).
> > It would be great if Sony used linux as main Os for Ps3, but that would also
> > mean that it would be very possible to use Sony games on your own Pc. They
> > can prevent it by making the Linux installation limited, which would go
> > against the whole linux thing (and could prevent installing to exotic stuff
> > like maybe mono).
> >
> > I guess time will tell once again
> >
> > On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's it. By far the fastest hardware for the price, both PS3 and
> > > Xbox are heavily subsidised with money being made from games. The upside for
> > > Sony is that even if people use it as a computer, they will probably end up
> > > buying the games as well (having the console) so they still make money and
> > > get a larger market share. Everyone is happy.
> > > Pete.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
> > > mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Bas
> > > Westerbaan
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:13
> > > *To:* Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > >
> > > I guess that the main benefit of using a PS3 would be the low price
> > > of the hardware.
> > >
> > > It seems they make money by selling games and loose a bit by selling
> > > the consoles.
> > >
> > > Try to buy the equivelent of the Xbox360 for the 400 dollars it will
> > > probably cost at most.
> > >
> > > On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager < peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's really good news. With these kinds of workstations being
> > > > released I
> > > > think it's inevitable that Mono will be ported, which will mean that
> > > > it will
> > > > also run on PS3. Thanks for the info.
> > > >
> > > > Pete.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> > > > [mailto:mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Harry
> > > > Holt
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 03:12
> > > > To: Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > >
> > > > This http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20040512033325.html
> > > > may be a little more interesting to work with that the PS3.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/24/05, Bas Westerbaan <bas.westerbaan at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > I think that the gaming platforms is all about hype. That they use
> > > > the
> > > > > capability of floating point calculation as the power of the
> > > > platform
> > > > > is an example of the supervisialness of the whole marketing
> > > > campaign.
> > > > >
> > > > > A good while after they are released there should be decent tests,
> > > > > which will show exactly which of the platforms is best (for a
> > > > purpose).
> > > > >
> > > > > Even though linux will run on the PS3 I wonder whether it will be
> > > > > very customizable. And I also wonder whether Microsoft will ever
> > > > be
> > > > > able to stop people from cracking their protections. It may be
> > > > harder
> > > > > and take more time, but if their marketing campaign is right they
> > > > > provide one of the cheapest amount of processing power per dollar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Time will tell.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/24/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net > wrote:
> > > > > > Well, I won't quite say "orders of magnitude". In floating point
> > > > > > Xbox 360 provides (approx.) 1 teraflops while PS3 does 1.8. The
> > > > cell
> > > > > > processor does have multiple cores, but so does the PPC in Xbox.
> > > >
> > > > > > They should both be fantastic platforms but my pref would also
> > > > be
> > > > > > with PS3 ;-) and I don't see MS enabling Linux on Xbox anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Still, with Linux running on PS3, my question is whether Mono
> > > > will
> > > > > > run
> > > > > too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pete.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> > > > > > [mailto:mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com ] On
> > > > > Behalf Of Harry Holt
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 22:07
> > > > > > To: Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > > From: Harry Holt <harryholt at gmail.com>
> > > > > > Date: Jun 24, 2005 1:18 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > > > > To: Bram Westerbaan < bram.westerbaan at gmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But I *do* want to use a PS3, because it will have *cell*
> > > > > > processors,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > should bring cooperative computing to a whole new level. You can
> > > >
> > > > > > send off threads for processing to the SPUs for processing, and
> > > > even
> > > > > > utilize SPUs
> > > > > on
> > > > > > other networked processors for ad-hoc distributed processing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know what you mean about the Xbox2 being "just as fast".
> > > >
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > PS3 should be orders of magnitude faster, given some careful
> > > > > > consideration to OS optimization.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ... HH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/24/05, Bram Westerbaan < bram.westerbaan at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > > > On 6/24/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is the Playstation 3 architecture (Power PC) similar enough
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > current Mac
> > > > > > > CPU's to allow Mono to run on PS3? With 2 teraflops (!) and
> > > > sony
> > > > > > > announcing support for Linux, it will be great to be able to
> > > > run
> > > > > > > Mono on a supercomputer :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are there any plans for Mono on PS3?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > I do not know how it should be done. But I do know you don't
> > > > want
> > > > > > > to use a
> > > > > > > PS3 when the Xbox 2 will have about the same speed but will
> > > > run on
> > > > > > > MSIL processors :|. I really hope there will be a linux .net
> > > > one day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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