[Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
Bas Westerbaan
bas.westerbaan at gmail.com
Sat Jun 25 07:44:54 EDT 2005
I wonder what the price and the effective 'normal' computing power of the
Ps3 will be. I guess it will be optimised for graphics which would render it
useless for normal server usage, although clustering for a big supercomputer
would be great, as I guess Sony will intend to use their Cell processor for
too.
It is rumored that the XBox 360 Cpu contains (semi)native support for the
CLI (.net). It wouldn't supprise me, for there are processors running Java.
And it would also fit in the marketing strategy of microsoft to let .net
gain more ground.
On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> My understanding is similar. PS3 is a platform on which other OS's can
> run, including Linux, but Linux is not the native OS of PS3. Sony said that
> there is no reason why Windows or OS X won't run on it (if the vendors
> wanted it to), but they (Sony) will only supply Linux (because they can).
> They also said that perhaps a new OS may be developed for it. I don't know
> if this means that they are looking at doing it, or whether they are just
> speculating. Either way, it will be good for Mono if apps run on PS3 in
> addition to Windows, Linux, and OS X. I think it's fairly certain that MS's
> .NET won't run on any of the consoles.
> Pete.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
> mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Bas Westerbaan
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2005 13:00
> *To:* Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
>
> If I understood it properly, sony is going to let you have linux on the
> PS3 on an additional harddisk, which could mean that they don't use it as
> their main OS for the Ps3 (or not at least the specific linux you install).
> It would be great if Sony used linux as main Os for Ps3, but that would also
> mean that it would be very possible to use Sony games on your own Pc. They
> can prevent it by making the Linux installation limited, which would go
> against the whole linux thing (and could prevent installing to exotic stuff
> like maybe mono).
>
> I guess time will tell once again
>
> On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > That's it. By far the fastest hardware for the price, both PS3 and Xbox
> > are heavily subsidised with money being made from games. The upside for Sony
> > is that even if people use it as a computer, they will probably end up
> > buying the games as well (having the console) so they still make money and
> > get a larger market share. Everyone is happy.
> > Pete.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:
> > mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] *On Behalf Of *Bas Westerbaan
> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:13
> > *To:* Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> >
> > I guess that the main benefit of using a PS3 would be the low price of
> > the hardware.
> >
> > It seems they make money by selling games and loose a bit by selling the
> > consoles.
> >
> > Try to buy the equivelent of the Xbox360 for the 400 dollars it will
> > probably cost at most.
> >
> > On 6/25/05, Peter De Jager < peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's really good news. With these kinds of workstations being
> > > released I
> > > think it's inevitable that Mono will be ported, which will mean that
> > > it will
> > > also run on PS3. Thanks for the info.
> > >
> > > Pete.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> > > [mailto:mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Harry
> > > Holt
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 03:12
> > > To: Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > >
> > > This http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20040512033325.html
> > > may be a little more interesting to work with that the PS3.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/24/05, Bas Westerbaan <bas.westerbaan at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > I think that the gaming platforms is all about hype. That they use
> > > the
> > > > capability of floating point calculation as the power of the
> > > platform
> > > > is an example of the supervisialness of the whole marketing
> > > campaign.
> > > >
> > > > A good while after they are released there should be decent tests,
> > > > which will show exactly which of the platforms is best (for a
> > > purpose).
> > > >
> > > > Even though linux will run on the PS3 I wonder whether it will be
> > > > very customizable. And I also wonder whether Microsoft will ever be
> > > > able to stop people from cracking their protections. It may be
> > > harder
> > > > and take more time, but if their marketing campaign is right they
> > > > provide one of the cheapest amount of processing power per dollar.
> > > >
> > > > Time will tell.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/24/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net > wrote:
> > > > > Well, I won't quite say "orders of magnitude". In floating point
> > > > > Xbox 360 provides (approx.) 1 teraflops while PS3 does 1.8. The
> > > cell
> > > > > processor does have multiple cores, but so does the PPC in Xbox.
> > > > > They should both be fantastic platforms but my pref would also be
> > > > > with PS3 ;-) and I don't see MS enabling Linux on Xbox anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > Still, with Linux running on PS3, my question is whether Mono will
> > >
> > > > > run
> > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> > > > > [mailto:mono-devel-list-bounces at lists.ximian.com ] On
> > > > Behalf Of Harry Holt
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 22:07
> > > > > To: Mono-devel-list at lists.ximian.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > From: Harry Holt <harryholt at gmail.com>
> > > > > Date: Jun 24, 2005 1:18 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Mono-devel-list] Will Mono run on Playstation 3
> > > > > To: Bram Westerbaan < bram.westerbaan at gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But I *do* want to use a PS3, because it will have *cell*
> > > > > processors,
> > > > which
> > > > > should bring cooperative computing to a whole new level. You can
> > > > > send off threads for processing to the SPUs for processing, and
> > > even
> > > > > utilize SPUs
> > > > on
> > > > > other networked processors for ad-hoc distributed processing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what you mean about the Xbox2 being "just as fast".
> > > > > The
> > > > > PS3 should be orders of magnitude faster, given some careful
> > > > > consideration to OS optimization.
> > > > >
> > > > > ... HH
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/24/05, Bram Westerbaan < bram.westerbaan at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > > On 6/24/05, Peter De Jager <peterdj at telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is the Playstation 3 architecture (Power PC) similar enough to
> > > > > > > current Mac
> > > > > > CPU's to allow Mono to run on PS3? With 2 teraflops (!) and sony
> > >
> > > > > > announcing support for Linux, it will be great to be able to run
> > > > > > Mono on a supercomputer :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there any plans for Mono on PS3?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > I do not know how it should be done. But I do know you don't
> > > want
> > > > > > to use a
> > > > > > PS3 when the Xbox 2 will have about the same speed but will run
> > > on
> > > > > > MSIL processors :|. I really hope there will be a linux .net one
> > > day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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