[Gtk-sharp-list] DataGrid control, data binding, ObjectViews, Swf, Gtk

Todd Berman tberman at off.net
Thu Dec 15 11:08:47 EST 2005

On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 11:29 -0300, Victor Rafael Rivarola Soerensen
(FANATICO y LOCO por Cristo) wrote:

> >
> > I like to use NPlot, for example, it uses Windows.Drawing, do you know any
> > alternative to it in pure Cairo-based Gtk#?
> >

NPlot works under Gtk#. Not really really well, but it does work.

> > > #6) I have no idea what license the data grid is under, but if it is not
> > > MIT X11, it will have to be removed from MD with a quickness. If Daniel
> > > can relicense it, great, if he cant/wont, then its toast, we *DO NOT*
> > > want to push any license but the MIT X11.
> >
> >
> > Can you give a one short definition of why in your oppinion is MIT X11
> > better then i.e. LGPL?
> > If there will be some library/widget which is veeeery good and licensed
> > under LGPL and
> > you'd like to use it in MD will not you miss it?
> The difference is freedom, in the real sense.
> The free GPL/LGPL licenses allows for _real_freedom_. In other words,
> as with all freedoms, there are limits. And it is those limits that
> those licenses have. I am free to take my shotgun and shoting animals
> on thee wilderness (as long as I am not killing protected specicies
> noor in reproduction times), but my freedom stops short of allowing me
> to go for a shooting spree on the downtown mall killing anything that
> moves, instead.
> The more libertine MIT X11 license allows for _real_libertinane_
> behaviour. It allows for somebody to take code, lock it away in tight
> locks, modify it at will, and then redistribute it with a license of
> his own choosing, removing my . With it, I could go the downtown mall
> for my shooting spree, but I could also go to the wilderness. This
> license is even worst that the libertine New BSD license, because it
> would allow somebody to write(?) a proprietary software and then claim
> that it is endorsed by me.

Not really willing to get into this debate. However, you are wrong.
Considering that you were unable to even recognize the MIT X11 license,
I'm not quite sure why you feel expert enough to explain the
ramifications of choosing it.

Gennadiy, as far as use in MD, we have made an exception for the Dock,
and are unlikely to make any other exceptions.

We feel that the MIT X11 allows for the greatest possible reuse of code.

Yes, that does mean that someone could take your MIT X11 licensed code
and use it in their commercial application, but they can do that with
the GPL or LGPL, they just have to jump through hoops.

Basically, I am an optimist. I believe that people contribute code back
because they want to, not because they have to. The MIT X11 license fits
in with this. If a company modifies some code and doesn't want to give
it back, well, did you really lose out? They weren't going to give code
back regardless. And at least this way they will likely submit bugs.
Having worked for companies that utilize opensource code, we contribute
code back because we want to, not because we have to.

Anyway, a licensing debate is not worth my time, or anyone on this lists
time. I wanted to provide an alternate opinion, one that was a bit less
toe-the-RMS-line. If you are interested in other differences between
them, google is sure to find tons and tons of material.


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